It would be a terrible, terrible mistake to ban exercise outside

[Thedogshow]

Domestic violence has already increased, and whilst I know some people have been ignoring the rules the majority are abiding by them. The knock on effects for people’s mental health and the safety of women and children inside the home would be terrible.
It would be such an infringement of people’s liberty and terrible for the mental and physical health of so many people.
Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space.
This idea worries me more than anything else about the current crisis. I hope so much that it doesn’t happen. I feel like it’s almost like a reaction in anger because not everyone will do what they’re told: like a smack.

What's the science behind no sunbathing?

Is sunbathing like a virus magnet? Does it enable the virus to propel over the 2m spacing?

Ditto picnics. Surely walking round a park you'll pass more people in an hour than sitting stationary with 2+metre spacing.

I get social distancing, I don't get these weird manifestations of the rules.

Who is meant to be enforcing these rules more heavily? The police are already massively overstretched and have large numbers of staff self isolating.

If we have the military roaming the streets no doubt people will complain about how bad that is for their mental health...

And by the way I’m not arguing that the current laws are not right. It’s crucial to have the current social distancing measures are in place. We should be making every effort to avoid social contact and prevent further spread. Completely agree with that aspect of it.
Don’t agree at all with further removal of freedom.

I'm not sure it would get banned.. I am still under the impression they want this herd immunity for this virus... They need people to be catching it but with the lockdown it is at a slower manageable rate... Think about it.. The science never changed so why did their strategy? However they received very little support of sthis strategy so this way it looks like they are doing the right thing while really hoping people are still catching it.... I think if it turns out that Sweden don't get it too bad and we locked down for no reason the govt will get slated for not sticking to their guns rather than listening to the moaning public!

I get social distancing, I don't get these weird manifestations of the rules.

Because every time you leave your house you increase the risk of spreading the disease. Staying 2m away from others reduces that risk but it doesn't eliminate it.

That risk is worth it for essential activities, including exercise. Sunbathing and picnicking are not essential activities.

Maybe targetted bans on some outdoor activities would work instead
and e.g. also requirements to keep dogs on leads - as dogs obviously aren't keeping 2m from strangers

Germany (I live there) banned specific activities like picnics, BBQs, football & other games outside the home
even for families
and for others keeping their distance

That was because police reported those specific activities sometimes led to breaking the distance rule
and also made it more difficult for them in practice to enforce behaviour

So far that has helped a lot, so we can still exercise nearly everywhere
However, there is 55% support here for total lockdown, as we have twats too, abusing the flexibility and spoiling it for the rest of us.

How can I spread the disease being 2m + away from people to from and in a park?

In a supermarket I totally get it - loads of times people need to pass closer and surfaces that multiple people touch.

But sunbathing on grass and keeping 2m + distance? What increases the risk exactly?

Some people are breaking the rules, and the answer to that is to make the rules stricter? I don't get the logic.

That makes it worse for those who ARE following the rules, and has no impact on those causing the problem because they will also ignore the stricter rules.

Enforce the existing rules, and give them time to work

People will still catch the virus, as millions of essential workers have to continue travelling and working outside the home
but at a rate that the NHS can cope with

So very slowly immunity will build up over the country

There is nothing worse for your lung health than sitting down all day.

How do you think those of us who are shielding are coping?

Seriously. You can all go out once a day, why can't that be enough? But no, so many just have to go out several times a day.

I usually go to the gym three times a week at least. I need to exercise to keep my pain down. Now I can't go outside at all, not even for a walk. I've doubled my opiate intake because the pain is out of control - how will that impact me long term?

For my health I need this over as quickly as possible but no, too many people just have to keep pushing and pushing.

3000 people in a London park yesterday. Wonder what effect that will have on infection rates?

I don’t understand why they aren’t using the fines now to punish, they ought to be handing them out left right and centre.

If they announce a curfew, will it be followed? Doubt it...and considering how they’ve reacted to the current situation they won’t implement it either. Idiots will still go out. They really need to deal with the rule breakers, not just create more rules!

In Ireland and all over Sky news and CNN this morning were reporters with people running and talking by. Practically no social distancing. The police just need to start banging fines onto people, totally horrendous if they ban people getting out.

"Some people are breaking the rules, and the answer to that is to make the rules stricter? I "

The aim would be to make the rules simpler with fewer loopholes for twats to exploit

It's much easier to stop those going out 5 times per day and driving to beauty spots if far fewer people are out at all - emptier streets makes it much clearer,
if everyone is stopped and has to justify an essential journey

‘Enforce the existing rules and give them time to work.’
Exactly right.

You do all understand that 2metres distancing isn't like some force field right? It's just a pragmatic distance. If someone coughs the virus can go further than 2 metres, it's just that ordinarily 2 metres is ok.

So at the park, sunbathing, someone near to you could be coughing and you will catch it, even if further than 2 metres.

Fithles

Honestly can you not see the issue here?

No one needs to sunbath or picnic or have a bbq in the park. It brings large numbers of people together in one place and is unnecessary. It's selfish of people to do this because if we all did it there would be chaos and the virus would spread.

Going out for a walk or a run once a day as your daily exercise and only going to buy food are the only concessions we have left. Surely it's not too much to ask that everyone ensures we keep those in place.

It's for the greater good, but certain types of people seem incapable of acting for the good of others.

Banning exercise would impact on people's fitness and vitamin D levels thereby making them more vulnerable when they do get it. People in flats will suffer a massive blow to their health.
I think stronger fines for those not following the rules are a better answer.

Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space.

My reality. If they tell us we can't go outside for excersise I will have no choice but to walk DS to the shop and pretend I'm a single mum when in reality dh is just at work. It's either that or my mental health plumits as it already has. It's not the first time suicidal thoughts have come into play for me and I fear this restriction would bring them to the front again

Exercise would not be banned. You can do exercise indoors.
Lots of people already do not get enough vitamin D. Tablets would be a better response.

But sunbathing on grass and keeping 2m + distance? What increases the risk exactly?

Coughing and sneezing spreads respiratory droplets far further than 2m. Distancing mitigates the risk, it doesn't eliminate it.

That is why we are only allowed out for essential activities, where the activity is so beneficial that it is worth running that risk.

Op you do understand millions of people in the shielding group already have no exercise.

Domestic abuse is a public health issue, of course the government should be proactively involved.

All the police can do is scoop up the pieces from the worst "incidents", if and when they can be arsed. If they turn up, it's after things have seriously escalated, they don't do anything to prevent it escalating.

It's been illuminating seeing the same police who usually tell victims of abuse "we can't do anything, it's your word against his" or words to the effect of "we're too busy for such trivialities, call us back once he's killed you" have the time and resources to take action against people who were doing things within the fucking law and on negligible if any evidence.

Tightening restrictions means abusers aren't going out as much/at all and victims don't have excuses to get out. So no periods of respite, no interruptions to break the chain of escalation in abuse, and fewer opportunities to access support services.

Besides which, the people behaving irresponsibly now would ignore any new rules too. The focus should be on properly enforcing the existing law where it's being flouted.

I agree,
I said on a different thread that I work with clients who are often in unsafe situations. If the government stops daily exercise, then I know for certain that a couple of our clients won’t be coming out of this alive.
Yes I know, as do they, that they can leave however it’s not always that simple. If it was then there would be no DV and no abuse in more ‘normal’ times than these.

1.5 million are in the shielded group, not millions, They can still take exercise, but they are being advised not to go outside.