Exercise could be banned - Matt Hancock

[LittleRen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

"Matt Hancock told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the government would "take action" if further measures are needed to bring the coronavirus under control.

It comes after reports of groups of people gathering in parks during sunny weather this weekend."

So do we think this will happen - normally this is how it goes, the threat comes, and a week later it's reality. It's a shame that people still flouted the rules this weekend :(

I can't see a thread on this already but please let me know if there is one!!

The thing with mental illness, @Hearhoovesthinkzebras, is that it's an illness. When people are mentally ill, they don't think in the way that people think who aren't mentally ill

But that's why the government have to decide what's best isn't it?

You might say that you're ok with friends and family dying but, to be honest, that isn't your call. They might not be ok with dying and the NHS might not be ok with them all turning up to hospital.

That's the thing about this - we can't be allowed to make our own decisions because our choices have much wider implications.

It's a bit like drink driving - I might say that I want to drink drive and I don't care if I die doing it but the truth is that I might kill someone else by doing it.

I'm sorry that you're struggling with this though. It's a terrible time.

@hoodathunkit That's deeply concerning. Your neighbour should have someone caring for them if they lack capacity. I assume that's what you're saying, if they don't understand the risks they're putting themself and others at? If they've developed a new cough they should be self isolating. For their sake as much as everyone else's contact social services. They'll be very busy but you can only try to get her appropriate help particularly as her actions are a public health concern. What do I want? People to adhere to the lockdown so that we save lives and try to ensure the NHS isn't overwhelmed with everyone getting sick at the same time. Ideally we'd be allowed our daily exercise but that depends on whether people stick to the current guidelines.

@DarnedSocks
It is extremely concerning agreed

I informed the housing associaiton they said they could not discuss other tenants' health due to confidentiality and could not force tenants to self-isolate

I phoned 101 and phoned the police, nothing else I can do.

Other tenants on either side can probably hear her coughing too.

Not sure if she is currently going out, phoned 101 2 days ago
She is still coughing all the time, the occasional lulls may be when she goes out, may be her sleeping for a bit. She laughs a lot even though she is unwell.

She can be quite belligerent at times and after I phoned the HA I think ther talked to her as I could hear her ranting on the phone and my name came up every now and then.

What do I want? People to adhere to the lockdown so that we save lives and try to ensure the NHS isn't overwhelmed with everyone getting sick at the same time. Ideally we'd be allowed our daily exercise but that depends on whether people stick to the current guidelines.

What you want is completely reasonable and what I want too. Let's hope people stick to the rules and we get it

What s happenning with suicide rates in Spain Italy and France? who have been under a much dyructer lockdown for longer than us.

Coughing on a night is generally a symptom of asthma not Covid-19. As you say she stops coughing when she's outside I'd assume asthma/allergies rather than Covid-19. There are reasons other than Covid-19 for coughing. As an asthma/allergy sufferer I'm starting to get a bit tired of people side-eyeing me every time I sniff or reach for my inhaler. I do not have Covid-19. Half of the time I am allergic to you and your cat hair covered jumper and overpowering perfume.

Rare I would be interested to know, googled but couldn’t see anything

I'm in Spain and haven't heard anythign about increased numbers of suicides and Googling brings up nothing. To be honest, I think if there were an increase it would be more likely to be because of financial problems rather than because people couldn't exercise.

I've lost a fair few family members to cancer - starting from when I was a child. The way I've dealt with this loss and pain has been through exercise.

I imagine many other people cope with stress/tragedy/life's ups and downs in a similar way. Exercise is a fundamental need for a large part of the population. Like eating and drinking water.

Do people on here realise that the vast majority of people in Italy and Spain and in China who live in cities , live in flats with no outdoor space?

I am not saying it is pleasant but it isn't only in the UK that people are in lockdown with no exercise and no outdoor space .

I really hope itt doesn't happen but it is possible. Many millions of people have already experienced just that

I find the hysteria on here about being deprived of exercise or being allowed outside for a few weeks quite bewildering

I find it bewildering that people are happy to be inside for so long. Thoroughly bewildering. I find it even more bewildering that so many people are actively calling for more of this.

What is so great about being outside though? Trudging round the streets is hardly my idea of a great time tbh

I find it bewildering that people are happy to be inside for so long. I'm not happy about it, but I ppreciate it's something I like doing rather than NEED to do and that much as I dislike being deprived of it (I'm in a country where lockdown does not include exercise) it really is not essential to my survival. I can sit at the window for sun and do physical exercise indoors.
Would I prefer to go for a walk outdoors every day? Well, duh. But that's the key word for pretty much everyone: prefer.

I think they’ve backtracked a bit today and I think they’ll keep allowing us to exercise.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras For families with young children and no garden it is essential to have some fresh air outside even if it is for half an hour walk. I would happily stay in if I had a big garden though.

For families with young children and no garden it is essential to have some fresh air outside even if it is for half an hour walk.
It’s not essential at all. That’s insulting to all the people living in flats on the continent who are not allowed out to exercise at all. They don’t like it but have to manage. I’ve got relatives in Lombardy with small children.

It's not insulting to another person to say ''x activity is essential''

For to be an insult you'd have to say ''only idiots manage without x activity''.

Whatsgoingon2020

It's not essential and I'm also not seeing families with young children here. It's adults who are parading around like it's Picadilly Circus

I find it bewilderingly that people are happy to be inside for so long
I don't think anyone is. They're choosing the lesser of two evils. Temporarily.

It's so important to get outside for fresh air if possible but it's insulting to all the housebound disabled adults and children to suggest you can't survive without that.

Erm going for a run or a walk in your neighbourhood is hardly 'parading around like it's Picadilly Circus.'It's currently allowed. If you don't wanna do it, don't. But lay off those of us who value our fitness.

For families with young children and no garden it is essential to have some fresh air outside even if it is for half an hour walk. It's not essential. It' shit not to be able to, but it's not essential. If 47 million Spaniards and millions of Italians can manage it then other people could too if it came to it.
It is nice. It is not essential to survival.

@BirdandSparrow Lounging in your own garden is not risk free (some gardens are small and with everyone being in their gardens....risks involved) and is not essential too. I’m yet to meet even one person who will give up their right to spend time in their own garden though. often children are communicating with neighbour through the fence. We need some balance here. We are talking about children potentially staying in a tiny flat with no access to the outside world. I have relatives in both Italy and Spain and while I can’t talk for the whole country, flats are very generous size there and with balconies too. if it happens, we will deal with that and with consequences of that too.

@daisypond I don’t see how it’s insulting? Believe it or not, my relatives are in Lombardy too. They are not offended at all. Nobody denies how being unable to go outside affects small children. It’s not like the “exit” is guaranteed in a week or two. We are potentially talking many weeks here. Anyway, we are still allowed to go out, so we do go out to the nearest fields 5 min away from home exercising all the precautions and being responsible.

They should make the rule flouters stay in and let the rest of us carry on doing the right thing.