Exercise could be banned - Matt Hancock

[LittleRen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

"Matt Hancock told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the government would "take action" if further measures are needed to bring the coronavirus under control.

It comes after reports of groups of people gathering in parks during sunny weather this weekend."

So do we think this will happen - normally this is how it goes, the threat comes, and a week later it's reality. It's a shame that people still flouted the rules this weekend :(

I can't see a thread on this already but please let me know if there is one!!

@Lookingforwardtomyeastereggs totally agree! Of course more people are out and about. It’s the only thing they can do now! I’m fed up of people moaning about the walkers.

I notice it when I go running, many more people to dodge and it’s a bit frustrating but I get why they are out!

No gyms, no normal daily activity, no work for some, no PE lessons for kids, no sports clubs. A daily walk is to replace all of that.

The minute the police start enforcing anything the media are all over them saying they’re being too heavy handed. People are lying to themselves saying they’re following it when they aren’t because they don’t want to make some sacrifices. My mum is still meeting her sister for daily walks ‘but we keep 2m apart’. They walk to the shop together and get a coffee ‘but it’s from a machine and I self scan so no contact’. My aunt nips to the shop for some paint for her fence ‘I bought some bits too so it didn’t look bad’. I despair.

I wonder what last year's UK death rate figures for January, February and March?
I'd like to compare them with this year's, but can't seem to find them.

There’s no way I won’t be walking my dog, even if I have to do it in the dead of night. I fear for my dear brother too. He has severe mental health problems and relies on a very long daily walk to stop himself from feeling deeply depressed.

I thought the virus an be active on certain surfaces for up to 72h (namely plastic and stainless steel - no idea what type of plastic though). Where did the 3 weeks come from?
In the country I come from they started restrictions earlier than in the UK. For a while now they have had to create the exact route of where they need to go, print it off or show it on their phone if they get stopped by the police. Not sure what the elderly are doing but they are only allowed out between certain times. If you deviate from your route and get stopped by the police you get a very expensive fine. Not sure what happens if you get more than one fine. There are limited reasons to go outside but plenty to allow for a resemblance of basic activities which are essential to survival. There hasn’t been a clear emphasis on outdoor exercise like here. Also they have there is a clear army presence. People do get stopped and fined if they break the rules. People are put in enforced quarantine if that is deemed necessary and they refuse to do it voluntarily but that is a very small number of utter idiots. Most people observe the rules. The problem in the UK is that, right from the start, Johnson made the mistake of stressing the importance of e cerise this setting expectations which are now stretched by some to a sense of entitlement. However, there is a different mindset in that, over there, people are used to carrying an ID document and to follow the law and look for direction from official sources and established well regarded medical professionals. They are not dismissive. They encouraged mask wearing early on and the importance of cleaning everything that comes into the home from outside. Maybe people are more scared over there or maybe they are taking it more seriously, I don’t know, but there isn’t this sense of ‘if we don’t do exactly like the government says, our freedom and physical and mental health will be finished’. The rules were very clear and their medical people who advised the government have been very transparent and public about everything. It doesn’t mean they are telling the whole truth but people comply more because it is in their best interest.

lemon try the Office of national statistics

It's amazing that in all human history we have only eradicated smallpox, when all we had to do was stay in for three weeks. Why we let people die of viral infections when the solution is so obvious is beyond me

They are not banning exercise, you can put on you tube tutorials and exercise to your hearts content in your home.

I have loads of exercise kit at home, but one thing I cannot do is cardio as I live in a bedsit and don't have space.

My cardiologist advised me to engage in strenous exercise as much as possible. Before this happened I went to the gym 5-6 times a week, taking at least 30 mins for cardio. Plus a few hours a wekk cold water wild swimming (I stopped during winter and would be back now if thigs were different).

I have EDS and transformed myself from someone who was in continual agonising pain and fairly disabled into someone reasonably fit through vigorous exercise. I fear falling back into illness and disability

I will not be able to maintain my fitness indoors, partly because CV exercise is essential prior to safe resistance training.

Just saying, not everyone is able to exercise properly indoors.

If the old or feckless die why would any government be worried

Its an interesting question, especially as the older generations are an unequivocally huge drain on public finances.

On balance though, the older you are, the more likely you are to vote.

Furthermore, in general, the older you are, the more likely you are to vote conservative.

Hence Boris really doesn't want his popular support to be wiped out by one of his own policies.

I bet he had a tussle with his conscience over that very conundrum though.

It's amazing that in all human history we have only eradicated smallpox, when all we had to do was stay in for three weeks. Why we let people die of viral infections when the solution is so obvious is beyond me

The whole point of lockdown is to slow down the rate at which we all get infected. We are all still going to catch it.

Deaths are down year to date compared to the five year average

www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fweeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales%2f2020/publishedweek122020.xlsx

Re voting old - I really doubt that is what is driving every country to take the same measures.

It really is just overwhelming the NHS / health care that us the issue atm.

I think that smallpox post was sarcastic?

Up to March 20 there were over a hundred extra deaths compared to March last year. We will see in a couple of months exactly how many extra deaths there have been due to CV19. (ONS)

@hoodathunkit

there are cardio vascular exercises you can do at home.

We all have to make sacrifices just now.

The good news is norovirus figures are down, we are not eating out or socialising as much.

Oh was it? Sorry!

Blakes I believe your figure but people seem to hunt down what backs up their view.

I think so!

From ONS:

The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 20 March 2020 (week 12) was 10,645; this represents a decrease of 374 deaths registered compared with the previous week (week 11).

The average number of deaths for the corresponding week over the previous five years was 10,573; this means that the overall number of deaths in week 12 of 2020 was slightly higher than previous years.

Of the deaths registered in week 12, 103 mentioned novel coronavirus (COVID-19), which is 1.0% of all deaths.

This is lower than the figures reported by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) as it takes time for deaths to be reported as it takes time for deaths to be reported.

The whole point of lockdown is to slow down the rate at which we all get infected. We are all still going to catch it.

If you understand this why are you still banging on about how we are only doing this for the elderly?!

Presumably because 99.6% of the non elderly don't die of it?

Up to March 20 there were over a hundred extra deaths compared to March last year. We will see in a couple of months exactly how many extra deaths there have been due to CV19. (ONS)

No, there were 72 additional deaths in this year's week 12 over and above the average of the last 5 year's week 12 stats.

Furthermore, in week 12 of this year, there were 374 fewer deaths than the previous week.

Anyone in a vulnerable group should ‘voluntarily’ remain locked down until herd immunity has been achieved.

We dont have the resources to make this happen though. I'm shielding and the support is woeful.

The elderly are more at risk but I do not go with the idea that the government suddenly care more because they are their voters.

Firstly every country is taking same approach but secondly they are trying to avoid a catastrophic amount of patients hitting the NHS at the same time. It’s nothing to do with their votes.