Exercise could be banned - Matt Hancock

[LittleRen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

"Matt Hancock told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the government would "take action" if further measures are needed to bring the coronavirus under control.

It comes after reports of groups of people gathering in parks during sunny weather this weekend."

So do we think this will happen - normally this is how it goes, the threat comes, and a week later it's reality. It's a shame that people still flouted the rules this weekend :(

I can't see a thread on this already but please let me know if there is one!!

The tailored regional responses idea is interesting, but only enforceable if travel is prevented. We live in a very rural area with no down cases of the virus. I rarely see anyone when I walk the dogs. The roads are quiet and my kids are usually free to cycle to a friend's house without me worrying. We are all observing the rules and not allowing them to see their friends, but it serves no epidemiological purpose. I have had to explain that it is a form of solidarity because the government cannot allow exceptions. Also, we are not well served by hospitals so if the virus does get here it would be catastrophic.

maybe all movements are being tracked and monitored and if we get ill we will be prioritised according to whether we stuck to the rules?

If exercise is banned - or more likely restricted to 500m or 2km from home -

then that small minority of selfish twats who've been declaring they'll go out for as long as they want, as often as they want,
need to have a stern word with themselves

The govt gave "advice" hoping people would use common sense
Hancock and other ministers talked of 30-60 minutes outside, once per day - but ddidn't want to make it a legal limit

If people insist on keeping to the letter of the law and ignoring govt "advice", then don't be surprised if advice becomes law

• and removes the flexibility that individuals have been able to apply sensibly in special cirumstances

@Helenshielding

The facts don't support that line of argument.

This is overwhelmingly a disease that impacts the elderly.

I walk for one hour everyday. I would find it extremely difficult if I wasn’t allowed to go out.
I am fortunate, I have a decent sized garden, so I don’t know how people in small flats would cope particularly if they have small kids

I think I would just take the chance of a criminal record even if I could never work again.

@justasking111

Exercise is good for mental and physical health. I am not going against recommendations.

No I won't die but others might.

And your 23 year old who died on Friday? You have a stunning disregard and disrespect for peoples lives.

More likely does not mean exclusively. And the people in the vulnerable group are not all older adults.

The fewer people who get this the better - young, healthy doctors, nurses etc are dying because they have to treat people. Is that ok too?

*mindproject wtf do you keep posting your paranoid fantasies about Freemasons ?

What next - "the Jewish elite" ?*

. There are hundreds of thousands of Freemasons. I'm sure they're all still meeting up in their temples. Bet there's one near you. It's not a fantasy.

We should now do as the French. A certificate to take with you every time you leave your house for your one hour walk or run close to your home. No bikes

Is this a fantasy?

Is this a fever? Are those just alergies? ....

If you haven't look up Coronavirus Rhapsody on YouTube.

maybe all movements are being tracked and monitored and if we get ill we will be prioritised according to whether we stuck to the rules?

My partner still has to work and has had the message about staying at home more than once. I work from home and just had one at the start. It could just be a blip, but we wondered this.

I haven't read the Coronavirus Act, but it gives government and police special powers for a year. Pretty sure this will be covered somewhere. It's not like we can go to the ECHR.

We should now do as the French. A certificate to take with you every time you leave your house for your one hour walk or run close to your home. No bikes

But are the certificates checked? And then what? Someone might use it more than once?

While I agree being out twice a day isn't what we should be doing, the big issue I think is those who are sat about on the grass and on park benches. If everyone just kept moving, unless they are physically unable, we'd not have these issues.

The park pictures have people sat and laid all over the place. hat's the big issue.

I know it - a bit of upbeat fun

@LesLavandes

Even if we successfully flatten the curve, the area under the curves will be roughly the same, so the flatter curve is much longer. The idea of flattening the curve is to stop ICU beds being overwhelmend, not to stop the virus completely.

If we flatten the curve enough, we may allow "waves" of infection, so if we bring the number of new cases down significantly, we may get a period of relaxed restrictions, before things are tightened up again. However, in my opinion, we are a long way off doing this.

It's very unlikely that unless we do a full lockdown like Wuhan, that we will be able to stop the virus dead in its tracks. So whenever we relax restrictions, it's likely we will see new infections. Because of the long asymptomatic period, unelss we have proper testing in place, we can't stop new infections easily.

Matt Hancock has been saying "if we all follow the rules this will be over sooner", but either he's deluded into thinking the current rules are enough to prevent any new infections (they aren't) or he's lying to us to try and get us through this period.

Surely they won’t entirely ban exercise, will they not first limit it to close to home?

I’m absolutely dreading this as I’m living in a small house, no garden and a very active 17 month old.

@mindproject

That's exactly why they want everyone nanochipped with the 'vaccine'

Jesus wept I do actually think it would be preferable if you had your own thread (series of them) where the like minded could gather.

Nanochipoed with a vaccine 🙄

Approaching this from a completely different perspective. How many of you have family on the front lines? I do.

I do too. And I agree with your post. My mental health is suffering because I'm an outdoor person and I struggle with isolation at the best of times. I'm sure I'd struggle a damned sight more if I lost close family members though, which is a possibility anyway, and had contributed then to that by thinking of just my own issues at this time and not doing what I can to help stop it spreading too far, too fast and overwhelming the health services we have.
Some people seem hell bent on the interpretation of 'The rules' what's a rule, what's 'common sense' and what they can get away with, rather than thinking about why those rules exist in the first place.

The virus won't give a shiny shite if you have used common sense or not, if you're there and it's there, then you could be infected. It's as simple as that. And the infection you get may not, in fact almost definitely will not, just affect you. The rules and guidelines in place are there to limit contact and infection, so that when we do get it, hopefully there will be enough staff, equipment and space to treat those who are ill to recovery, not totally overwhelm an already buckling system and have deaths from lack of personnel, resources and equipment that could be prevented.

In any event like this, healthcare workers are usually the worst group affected too, and that should scare everyone because they're not easily replaced, and any one of us, at any time may need the help of one.

Hoping your family members stay safe 💐

I really think that stopping exercise will lead to lots more issues later on.
This virus isn’t going anywhere. I’m not a doctor, but even I know viruses don’t just disappear if everyone goes inside for 7 weeks.
It’s worrying that there appears to be no exit strategy to this and the amount of people wanting our movements tracked is astounding. I didn’t vote to be in a martial law country, I have clients I work with that if they are forced to stay inside will not come out alive.
We need to think and take a breath before applying tighter lockdown rules.

I can’t say I’m surprised - we live in a Close and none of the older people 75+ are taking it seriously. One lady who is early 80’s has a ‘man friend’ who lives 10 miles away, always stays Sunday s and Wednesday still happening. Another has had friends over - all off out in the car together. Bloody ridiculous

You will no doubt get bashed for saying that but on the few occasions I have been to hospital appointments, the roads have been quiet. However, while about 50% of the traffic I saw was works vans, people in uniforms etc, the majority of the rest were elderly.

rubbish supply teacher Mr Hancock says unless the bad boys at the back stop messing about, he's going to keep us all in. Good kids at the front wondering if it's time for a riot to get a proper teacher instead.

@SnoozyLou you can go to the ECtHR. We left the EU, not the Council of Europe and the Convention on Human Rights. But you need to take a case in the UK first. I believe there is a ground taking a case on behalf of families with disabled children.

It's shocking just how quickly we've adapted to our freedom being taken away. We all say nazi Germany will never happen to us - yet we're blindly following the guidelines, and reporting on our neighbours who break them. It's truly scary.

I think at some point the gov will need to weigh up their options of continuing and saving lives but fucking peoples MH and the economy, or easing things which lead to more death but the country not being destroyed

And your 23 year old who died on Friday? You have a stunning disregard and disrespect for peoples lives

Road accidents kill healthy people of all ages. We could have banned driving and saved those lives, but we didn’t. People know this but have been happy to accept that as an unavoidable cost of driving for decades. I find it weird that lives are expendable in some contexts and not others.

To be clear, I absolutely support properly enforced social distancing to manage the peak impact on NHS and reduce risk to essential workers. I think that’s the message we should focus on, not exactly who is putting exactly which lives at risk.