People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

@HelloDulling we've frozen 4pt

@Umberellaellaella There is also the argument that with a stricter lockdown, we will be able to get out of this quicker as we will see a more rapid drop in cases.

@TheCanterburyWhales do you think these places will have no more cases of the virus? It will just take one person to spread it again. Cases have gone from 0 to thousands in a few weeks. Wuhan is now not immune to the virus. Lockdown just slows the spread! It doesn't cure it. So what will full lockdown achieve that the current lockdown doesn't?

This is hard enough. I don’t think most people would tolerate a complete lockdown. Boris knows this.

It's not a matter of, if we all get locked in for a few weeks that's the end of it and back to normal!

And what then for the shopping basket Stasi?

And I agree that not everyone has huge fridges/freezers. Our freezer has no room at all to freeze milk!

(However, we have been buying longlife milk along with fresh so we don't have to shop so often).

@Seventyone72seventy3 those with smaller freezers have been freezing them in flat freezer bags or in ice cube trays

Good for you. If I bought 12 pints of milk, there would be hardly any room in my fridge for anything else. Other people are different to you
Or have long life as well as normal.

There's a lot of people on MN who are defending going to the shops every couple of days when there's ways not to.
For example, planning shopping, having a mix of bakery bread and standard sliced, using long life as well as fresh milk, buying chocolate and magazines in their food shop instead of waiting til they fancy one and then going out, buying two or three days worth of cigarettes instead of going to the shop daily.

It's not like some of us are carrying on as normal, we're not and we're having to make changes.
We normally freeze spare portions but we've had to change how we plan and portion our meals because we've got froEn fruit and veg in there now. What we're not doing is having business as usual and then shopping every couple of days because we can't buy the fruit we like to last the week

This is hard enough. Most of Europe are on stricter lockdowns than the UK - and it's only been a week! Why do you think Brits can't cope?

Unfortunately when things are as important as this you have to cater for the lowest denominator, kind of like at school when if someone was naughty everyone got in trouble.

More job losses
More suicide and mental health issues
More poverty

And a huge increase in domestic violence and sexual abuse towards children. An increase far bigger than anything Covid-19 will cause.

Talking to a pharmacist today, she said that the refusal to differentiate between dying 'with' and dying 'from' Covid-19 is misleading, irresponsible and extremely unhelpful.

The only thing to do is to adopt the South Korea model (who are, incidentally, back at work/school/normal life and not looking down the barrel of the bankruptcy gun)

At what point does the 'cure' become worse than the 'disease'? Because, you know, young people and old people die every day. Of things that aren't fair (car accidents, cancer, murder, previously undiagnosed congenital conditions) and those numbers far outweigh the numbers of young people dying 'with' (not necessarily 'from') Covid-19.

We need to get out of the mess that is the UK government's response to this, and source antibody testing - indeed all testing - models from the South Korean model.

Death is a part of life - and death isn't fair. I lost both my parents last year. But crippling our younger generations with years and years and years of financial inequality to 'save' a few thousand out of a huge number in the millions in the UK just isn't the right way to do this. I very much doubt your children will say, in 10 years' time, "Oh, I'm so pleased I will never have a decent job, savings or a house of my own because of what happened in 2020. You might like to think they will, but they wont. Sorry.

@twinkle2306 It still takes up the same space! Anyway, I just buy longlife instead.

Those claiming milk and bread aren't essentials make me laugh, however there's absolutely no need to be shopping for them every couple of days because they do keep longer than 2-3 days.
I'm not sure why one poster is buying 4 pints at a time because milk doesn't keep

Fine if you've got space to keep it, I don't. I could possibly fit 2 4 pint cartons in the fridge but no more.

I certainly think there will ultimately be fewer deaths in those places than in the countries with a more rigorous lockdown, yes.

I was just reading on another thread that apparently there has been a statement at some point over the last few days saying restrictions may start to be lifted towards the end of May in the UK.

That would help how? Shoot on sight someone you see going out for their second dog walk of the day? That’s a really great response to a lockdown, the aim of which is to protect life.

Yes. And, I bet that poster, can not name one time actually have the army patrol with weapons and locking people in their homes has actually preserved life.

How long before people were shouting about the innocents that died in their houses too afriad to go out, with support for their mental health. Or people gunned down in the street wrongly.

I honestly think some people have been waiting and wanting this. The chance for everyone to be controlled. Usually the people who are far too nosey and judgemental of others. Even when theres not a pandemic. This has just given them and excuse to verbalize it, while still appearing to be a hero

Londongirl Of course YANBU. What you are saying is completely sensible, but frankly this crisis has allowed the inmates to think they are, if not running the asylum, then certainly the Nurse Ratcheds of it..
I have been out every day and seen 1 person (in 2 weeks) not completely following social distancing. Many many people are cooped up in flats. Not everyone has a naice home. Exercise is essential.
Off the top of my head, here are some things people may have preciously done but now can't:
Football, rugby, swimming, gym, golf, exercise classes, walking round the shops, taking the kids to an adventure playground etc etc etc
Of course they are walking there is fuck all else to do.
DP and I were both out in the car yesterday. I was delivering shopping to 3 at risk people and he was working.
I'm sure there will be curtain twitchers desperate to report us!

@Seventyone72seventy3 those with smaller freezers have been freezing them in flat freezer bags or in ice cube trays

Have they really? You'd need an awful lot of ice cube trays to freeze a usable amount of milk.

Sorry, fewer deaths IN the countries with a rigorous lockdown.

point over the last few days saying restrictions may start to be lifted towards the end of May in the UK.

I am sure the statement was this, but only if the majority comply.

Not just out of it in may regardless.

Or have long life as well as normal.

Good luck getting that, it's as rare as hens teeth around here!

I agree, OP. Also, bread and milk are the first things to be rationed because of immediate over-buying. So, if you can only buy 1-2 of each and you have demand for this product in your family then yes, of course you'd have to go once a week.

Not everybody has enormous freezers either! Probably couldn't get one if they wanted to as those too, were over-bought.

All of our neighbours have been out in their cars every day, always coming back with a small shopping bag. Some (I'm looking at the covidiot opposite) go out several times per day for just 1 or 2 items.

They need to be forcibly told to go out and get a proper shop that's going to last a few days and if they forget to buy something or run out, then tough.

It's nowhere near a proper lockdown when idiots are in and out unnecessarily. I think we're going to have to bring in some kind of permit limiting your movements so stop the idiots going out every day or 2/3 times per day (and no, I'm not talking about exercise, I'm talking about people who can't bear not to go to the shops every day).

@Seventyone72seventy3 we've had to rethink how we freeze things. We take things out of boxes and put them in bags with instructions cut out. We've frozen bread in separate slices rather than the loaf in a loaf shape. We've frozen any meals we've cooked in freezer bags instead of pots etc. It's not impossible to slim it down and make space you just need to think about it

Oh, I'm sure Shitsgettingcrazy.

And given the number who think this lockdown lite doesn't apply...it doesn't bode well.