People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

You don't understand how the policy is supposed to work, do you, MonkeyToes?

You're right, I don't. I thought it was supposed to slow the rates, lower the numbers, flatten the curve, keep the peak lower and spread out.

I didn't realise that the under reporting of 20% was part of the plan. Didn't know that the overtaking Italy in deaths was part.of the grand scheme.
Nor did I realise that countries with much stricter lockdowns compared to ours were so wrong to think a much weaker.lockdown wouldn't work as well as a stricter.onez the idiots. As for China locking.down and disinfecting entire cities and having a death toll of 3400, their policy is obviously wrong in comparison to ours.
So please stay home and wash your hands.

If your kids die in agony and suffocation, is that all part of the policy and plan? If your kids get in and get taken to hospital and fight for their lives, will you be happy they didn't lockdown tighter a fortnight ago? Will the policy still be right when it's your parent that dying alone in their house? All part of the curve... Till you're part of the curve.. then it'd be different.

As for China locking.down and disinfecting entire cities and having a death toll of 3400, their policy is obviously wrong in comparison to ours.

Please don't tell me you believe the figures coming out of China...

Please don't tell me you believe the figures coming out of China...

The government did...

Everyone needs to get a grip! Complete lockdown would exacerbate so many dysfunctional in-house situations. I would absolutely continue with the measures currently in place but police it more rigorously - Also, testing is imperative - once they get a bl**dy handle on this, some life can gradually return to a semblance of ‘normal’.

I could not feckin believe it yesterday - our PM in Intensive Care (I’m not a Tory but think BoJo was really beginning to step up to the plate and feel so much sympathy for him, his family and loved ones right now) and my neighbour not only having her 2 dodgy mates round (hubby regularly out on bike, huffing and puffing and sourcing next coke binge - lolz wonder what he’ll do when supplies dry up ... ) but also her 25 year old toy boy and various assorted local kids - Police were called and they were asked to disperse and this in a small rural town - this, much as I like my neighbour, I do not have a sense of humour about right now. This all took place ironically just before, during and after the 5pm press conference - quite surreal.

I go shopping 3 times a week because I don’t drive, I walk (when I am not doing 12-hr care shifts) to and from the local secluded canal path with my teen daughters and we watch birds and chat.

Stay safe 🌈

It is unsustainable for the country to stay in lockdown until a vaccine is found.
So unfortunately there will be more deaths. Lockdown is to prevent as many new infections as possible. Once lockdown is slowly lifted in stages, the key will be to try and keep new infections to a minimum.

And agree with PP, testing is absolutely key.

MonkeyToesOfDoom exactly, exactly!

The government did...

Without concrete evidence they are lying no one in government is going to call out the Chinese for lying.

Firstly it puts international relations at risk. It could cause all sorts of long term issues. How much stuff do we get from china. What about british citizens living there.

The chinese wouldnt take too kindly to being officially called liars.

If they are found to be lying, the economical and international relation fall out would be massive. For everyone involved. Countries would be demanding China compensates them

As is, its doesnt really impact us in the here and how. We cant lock down the same as them.

As is their are the exception to the rule. Not the rule itself. When dealing in statistics, you dont focus on the one that's bucked the trend, unless, there is compelling evidence they are 100% accurate and 'clean' data.

936 deaths in 24 hours. This figure is only this in hospital and only those with positive Corona test. Real figures likely to be 20% higher.

Please don't tell me you believe the figures coming out of China...

The government did.

Didn’t we also have WHO praising China one their figures?

This figure is only this in hospital and only those with positive Corona test. Real figures likely to be 20% higher.

Why 20%?

I think WHO are not as innocent and impartial as you would think.

why 20%

The ONS are also collecting data on deaths, they release info every week, they include deaths in care homes, people at home etc and any other death certificate that mentions Covid / Corona. Their figures are 20% higher than government.
If you Google it, you should find the page where the ONS explain it all.

Agreed Shits, apart from Trump no other government will call the Chinese out on this. And do people really want a Chinese style lockdown? Anyone with symptoms being forcibly removed from their home into a 'quarantine hotel'?

Then again, that probably wouldn't be going far enough for some on here.

I think WHO are not as innocent and impartial as you would think

I'm not sure I think that at all.

I am confused by the ONS stats.

Are they going on people tested post mortem?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26

This explains it better than I could. I think anyway.

Then again, that probably wouldn't be going far enough for some on here.
Indeed -I can't understand the glee with which so many seem to be anticipating harsher measures.
If it is not working (and no-one know yet as those who are dying now caught it before lockdown) because people are unwilling to comply then it is absurd to make it even harder.
Look at the outcry today when people were told to keep their cats indoors and the number who said they would defy that because it would be unfair on their cat, or the cat would make so much fuss they round have to give in.

The figures published on GOV.UK are valuable because they are available very quickly and give an indication of what is happening day by day. Their definition is also clear, so the limitations of the data can be understood. But they will not necessarily include all deaths involving COVID-19, such as those in England that are not in a hospital or where no test result was available. Although the main GOV.UK figure reported is for the whole UK, breakdowns by area are available.

NHS England’s reconciled numbers are valuable as they give a good indication of the lags in the daily deaths in hospital reporting process. They allow analysis by date of death to be carried out, which is a better indicator of the growth in the number of deaths.

Numbers produced by the ONS take longer to prepare because they have to be certified by a doctor, registered and processed. But once ready, they are the most accurate and complete information. The ONS provides figures based on deaths registered in England and Wales with COVID-19 (more information can be found in the Measuring the data section).

This is what ONS about the data.

Your statement of I didn't realise that the under reporting of 20% was part of the plan. of isnt quite right.

ONS figures compared to the NHS England reconciled figures arent hugely different. ONS also say it's to be understood theirs wont be entirely accurate on any given day.

ONS figure come from death certificates. It appears they arent testing post mortem. So depending on death certificate.

So this data is entirely accurate either.

However, the government isnt underreporting for any nefarious reasons.

I think it would be terrible to stop exercise and fresh air. 99% of people I know are following the rules.

@Stellamboscha there was a poster who wanted the army with automatic weapons to make people comply (not sure if it was on this thread or another equally batshit one).

The cat thing was another good example of the false information and hysteria around at the moment.

Our figures are based on deaths registered in the stated period and include all deaths where “COVID-19” was mentioned on death certificates. They differ from those published by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which are based on deaths occurring to date among hospital patients who have tested positive for COVID-19.

That's the bit that I referenced as under reporting, the government figure includes only hospital deaths and only those with a positive test. It doesn't include any out of hospital deaths or those with symptoms but no test.

Somewhere in the midst of it all the true figure lies. If the government said 800 people died in hospital, another 80 died outside of hospital, that would be more honest. But, in all fairness, they probably don't know the figures out side of hospital. Bit they could say and clarify their daily figures are only those in hospital and those tested positive. Does that make sense?
Feels totally unimportant tbh. Around 1000 people have died in the last 24 hours and still people seem more concerned with getting kids back to school than protecting them from a virus killing 1000 people daily.

I go to work in the NHS everyday. Normally the roads are very quiet, no cars except work vans and a few cars.

This morning there were a FUCK load of cars on the road. I was bloody livid. Full of families mostly and I know damned well they are all going somewhere for easter.

We need road blocks this weekend and the French system of providing documentation to declare where you are going.

I'm pissed off with these selfish bastards - they do not care who they infect and kill. Fuming.

Our figures are based on deaths registered in the stated period and include all deaths where “COVID-19” was mentioned on death certificates.

Does that mean deaths caused by Covid-19 or deaths where people had symptoms of Covid-19 when they died, which aren't necessarily the same thing? My Mum's death certificate mentioned macular degeneration, but she certainly didn't die of it.

@pinksparklypussycat and here lieth the issue I have in the way the deaths are being recorded there is absolutely no distinction between covid being in their system when they died and that being the thing that physically led to their death