People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

@Sophicles I’m sure everyone driving out has a valid excuse, that I fully understand on an individual level.

The arrogance and ignorance is when individuals put their needs above that of everyone else.

Further lockdown rules have been mentioned, yet people are still making their excuses.

This will all be over quicker if people stay the fuck at home, and minimise disruption to the farming community, who are vital right now to continue food production.

@FatAlbert I should have made myself clearer. I'm not offering a good excuse. We have to go, my wife because it is too dangerous for her not to exercise, and myself because the physio programme I was on after my heart operation has been interrupted.
All I'm saying is that, since you are ignorant of the actual circumstances of the people you see, it is better for your mental health to assume their innocence.

ilovecakeandwine
So these people that are seeing more cars on the road how are they seeing these extra cars are they also out ?

From our windows, live on a main road def more local traffic, and have an A road behind house. Bloody motorbikes roar along, it's terrible, but less cars as a commuter route through London

Agree majority doing their best, and for a family of 6 things like bread and milk don't last long, can only get so many loaves in freezer and we have to stand separately in queues to shops so we can get enough, or is it ok that someone from a large family has to go our more and spend more time at shops, increasing risk, just to get food?

One loaf will last longer in small family, can last one day in ours. Most have 14 slices, some (Asda) have more. No thin sliced bread anymore, not even in breadshops, they don't have thin slicers. If bread thicker = less slices = we buy more bread. Thin sliced would be healthier. Tesco / Sainsbury/Aldi, its SO thick now. Asda is better but right now can't get to lots of shops as queueing takes time so pick one. I even wrote to the government about this but was told they can't get involved. Really?? They did with sugar, or rather sugar TAX.......... Thin sliced would be so much better for us. Anyway off to walk the dog with 2 of my adult children (Son not been out since lockdown, had to prise him out of dark bedroom & computer yesterday for vitamin D) and drop off the stuff I sold on ebay at the myhermes petrol station. Last comment, why does someone always have to be bitchy on here about someone else?????

What's wrong with medium sliced bread? Thin sliced is awful, you can't toast it properly. I'd just have an extra slice anyway!

@Sophicles my post still stands.

I get that you and your wife have to exercise.
I get that many others are in exactly the same boat.

At the same time I’m well aware of farmers who are having to disinfect gates before touching them, worry about the news that the virus can be carried on the soles of shoes and boots.

Well aware of the fact that the longer people continue to go out, however responsible they think they are being, they are dragging this out.

On a practical note, I would consider finding a treadmill, as it’s likely there will be stronger lockdown conditions coming, as suggested a few days ago, and you may not be allowed to go out to exercise.

Also, ex DH is also on a physio program following heart surgery last year. He has been able to get hold of an exercise bike and is continuing physio with regular phone contact, hopefully your physio can help you to implement similar? He’s been told that exercise is important, but you don’t have to go outside to get it.

My mental health is fine, but I am frustrated at the number of people who believe they are above the rules.

This will all be over quicker if people stay the fuck at home

This is total bollocks. This will only be only be "over" when we have some form of herd immunity, either through a vaccine, or through enough people having had the disease. Neither of those will be sped up by people staying home. And whether or not someone goes for a walk for half an hour or an hour will make bugger all difference to the spread compared to the fact that places like ASOS/Amazon warehouses are still operating in unsafe circumstances.

The purpose of the quarantine/lockdown is not to stop the virus (because that's not possible) - it's to slow the spread so the NHS doesn't collapse. 'Total lockdown' will not mean zero spread of the disease because we will still need to have food distribution / healthcare, essential utilities etc. in place. Zero spread is simply not possible, and if the lockdown eases, the government will likely do it in full knowledge that the virus will start spreading again.

Distancing is still really important, as slowing the spread means that people will die of the disease itself rather than lack of treatment. But this stuff about 'stay indoors and this will be over sooner' needs calling out for the shite that it is.

As a new virus scientists don’t fully know about herd immunity, and whether this is achievable without vaccines.

Stay in is currently the only way to slow this, whilst allowing key workers to manage.

Yes, but that's not what was said above.

I am sick to my back teeth of hearing people say "Stay indoors and this will be over quicker"

It won't.

It seems to have worked in Asian countries with experience of dealing with pandemics.

As a new virus scientists don’t fully know about herd immunity, and whether this is achievable without vaccines.

That still doesn't mean that we are going to achieve zero spread if people give up exercise.

True herd immunity may not be possible, but having had it is likely to give the population some level of immunity against the virus. Part of the reason this is so bad is that there was zero immunity when it first hit the UK, because it's a new virus.

I'm not arguing for letting it tear through the population. I'm just pointing out that some of the claims being made (not by scientists, but by a lot of people) about the expected impact of lockdown are obviously rubbish. Lets be realistic about what's achievable here.

It seems to have worked in Asian countries with experience of dealing with pandemics.

China did things that we aren't able to. For example, other provinces took on the job of supplying food to the affected area, so a more total lockdown was possible. Given the fact that Covid is present all over the UK, not just in one affected area, some of the actions taken in China simply wouldn't be possible.

Yes, tracking and tracing early on might have prevented this, but we didn't do it. And now, we have Covid all over the UK. There are no unaffected counties in the UK which can keep essential services and supplies moving while the affected areas go into total shut down.

Keeping levels at a manageable level will require lockdown though.

Until there are enough ventilators, nurses, PPE, we are not equipped to deal with much more than a slow trickle, which would mean key workers doing their best to carry on and everyone else staying at home.

Full lockdown would be fine for people who have a garden but for people stuck in a flat with no balcony would be a total nightmare.

If there was a way to do a lockdown but people without gardens, balconies are able to go out it wouldn't be so bad.

I've already said that the lockdown is needed. But your assertion that it will somehow be over quicker if people do whatever was rubbish. People may be saying this all over the place, but it doesn't make it any less true.

^ but it doesn't make it any MORE true.

Most people CAN make do if they run out of bread and milk. We ran out of bread and milk a few days ago and we have a been having cheese instead of milk, potatoes instead of sandwiches. Yes, I would have preferred not to have black tea this morning but its important to limit shopping to once a week and make do in the meantime. After all, coronavirus is more dangerous than running out of milk for a couple of days. Perspective.

And we have three small children who are none the worse for making do with a few changes to their diet

Let them eat cake!

Lol

we have a been having cheese instead of milk

Bit weird in tea

Or on cereal

Its only been two weeks. The lack of moral fibre in some people is quite staggering. Years of being told "You may have what you want and be what you want to be" Time to face facts - life is tough and its going to get tougher.

We ran out of bread and milk a few days ago and we have a been having cheese instead of milk, potatoes instead of sandwiches.

Never heard anything so ridiculous.

Firstly, potatoes or pasta havent been easy to get

Secondly cheese isnt a drink and more expensive than milk

Thirdly, the fact that you have decided you will only go to the shops once a week and would rather go without...is a choice.

The UK hasnt been limited to one shopping trip a week.

If someone wants to that, that's their choice. That doesnt mean they get to claim some sort of moral superiority because others would rather go get milk.

I am going shopping every 10 days. But getting milk and bread once between then. Maybe you should do what I do. Then you dont have to go to the supermarket every week.

Or maybe, as long as people are within the guidelines people should leave them alone.

Lack of moral fibre

Oh, get over yourself you patronising,obnoxious doughnut!(made with cheese and potatoes ofc)

We ran out of bread and milk a few days ago and we have a been having cheese instead of milk, potatoes instead of sandwiches.

Ew, I don't fancy the idea of cheese in my tea and on my cereal!