People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

@Hanywany And I didn’t imply you were a bad mother at all. I said I’m not going to deprive MY children of a daily walk.

I am enjoying time with my family hanywany but that doesn't mean that I think we should be each other's entire world

You do however accurately surmise that I have grave misgivings about this lockdown

Londongirl I agree with you. Don't let a small minority of thoughtless people change the rules for everybody. issue a fine to those people who meet up in groups, sunbathe, play football, etc.

I think a total lock down would be horrendous and would be especially awful for people with no access to outside space.

I don't understand why people taking their dogs or children for a walk (which will presumably count as their allowed daily exercise) is being so frowned upon by some people. We were told we could take exercise once a day. By all means stay home if that's what you want to do, but don't try to shame people who are doing what they have been told they are allowed to do. If this goes on throughout the summer, there will be some very physically and mentally unhealthy people by autumn if they are forced to stay in their homes throughout that period.

@Hanywany go and swap with a single mother with a baby in a studio flat and no garden or someone equally less fortunate and then see if you still condemn them for going outside for a walk?

Rather than spouting about how you “don’t feel imprisoned” living in your “5 bedroom 3 reception room gilded gothic victorian townhouse”

Jeez 🙄

@Hanywany ‘I’m alright Jack, eh’. Many families in big cities do not enjoy the (rare) advantage of lots of space and large gardens. There are many families who have no access to outdoor space, and total lockdown would deprive them of their one chance to go outside and for their children to run around, enjoy spring and burn off any excess energy. Do you know how difficult total lockdown would render the home lives of those who live in blocks of flats, where parks are their gardens? Not just families but people who live alone and away from their families. Mental health would be adversely affected by being denied any opportunity of going outside apart from to the shops? And that is hardly a pleasurable exertion for anyone, let alone children.
To make it fair then, total lockdown would have to apply to all those with gardens - no going outside whatsoever. Tape up the kitchen doors with hazard tape. Total lockdown for all - we’re all in this together, aren’t we?

Hany lucky you for living in a big Victorian house with your naice big garden!

Many many don’t. So save your judgment! I wonder if you’d feel so happy to stay in if you lived in a one bed flat with three kids.

I live semi rurally, by a lovely picturesque river. I live in a four bed town house where I don’t have to see my DH for days if I don’t want to as there are three floors! I still got fed up and went for a walk. By myself. Seven miles.

I do, as a posh bitch, have a large house and several acres of land. I know that goes down like a rancid guff in a lift round these parts, but it’s context for me saying that’s it’s quite easy to self isolate in that set up but with say two kids in a flat without a garden somewhere urban and within days you’d be certifiable. I think getting out in that circumstance is pretty vital. It’s easy to preach from a position of privilege.

I read yesterday that the lockdown has achieved a reduction of 85% in interaction. That’s an amazing achievement and rather than bemoaning the minority of people who haven’t got the message, we should be really pleased with such a massive reduction. The only way we could stop the virus completely is by nobody moving anywhere at all, including medical staff, but that for obvious reasons isn’t doable. This lockdown is about flattening the curve and we are doing that. I question whether if we make it too draconian whether we will push people too far for not too much additional benefit.

As for cars on roads, there’s still loads of people working and absolutely no supermarket slots. I’d love to get it all delivered but can’t get one at all.

How come some people havent left the house in 2 months? There were barely any cases here at the beginning of feb, and certainly lockdown wasn't on the cards til end of feb/beginning of march....? I have been out for a walk or a run most days since lock down begun. I havent flouted any rules, visired friends or family or popped into the shops everyday, just taken some exercise as is within the rules, and that was part of my routine before lockdown. When the restrictions are that exercise is not permitted I will stop going, but feel thankful that I do have outside space.

I think everyone needs to keep in mind that some pp's arent telling the truth and are here to do no more than polarise the debate, same with Brexit and the 2019 election, lots of new posters with INFORMATION and to tell people to STOP RISKING LIVES and theyve all seen 70 billion trillion people flouting the rules everyday

Unfortunately not everyone has a huge fridge and freezer and didn't rush out and buy additional ones before corona hit (I wouldn't have anywhere to fit one anyway!). Online shopping is very difficult to book and most are now saying the priority is for those who are socially isolated. I go to the shops twice a week - once to do my shop and once for my elderly father, my elderly neighbours and with a few top ups for me (milk and bread actually!). The queues today outside all the local supermarkets were horrendous.

I also go out for a walk 4 days a week - except Saturday and when doing my food runs. I am working full time from home and running the house with no other adult to help. I strictly observe social distancing. Some people are more selfish - mostly couples or family groups filling the paths or pavements - so I end up swerving around them. But mostly people are being sensible where I live.

I am sorry this has become a bit of a slanging match. I hope things don't get locked down further - particularly for those in very confined flats and no outside space. If it does happen it may well be just what was bound to happen next - like other european nations. It really depends what happens to the curve which is still an upwards spike. But if it does come no doubt hoards on here will blame all the selfish people who did all sorts of terrible things. Just as they did when lockdown was first introduced. Because lots of people want someone to blame, the government, young people, old people, dog walkers, sunbathers, 5G, conspiracies, you name it. When in actual fact its just a deadly virus that is hard to control and all countries have been learning by the day how to tackle it. And only those countries that have been economical with the truth, are authoritarian or suffered SARS badly before have managed to control their populations to maximum effect. Its human nature.

Well for all you op sprouting about how I can talk and I have no idea what it's like living in a tiny flat with no garden I have done all that too and I coped and the flat that me and hubby and our 1st born was in was a 1 bed first floor that would have rolled up tinfoil all the way up the stairs to our front door because crack heads would use the stairwell to smoke shit, the flat itself was filled black mould literally everywhere the bathroom floor would essentially flood because the toilet leaked, the lights would go bang every bloody week because the ceiling would leak in the toilet and we literally lived without gas for roughly about 4 months because we had a very very shit landlord and the front door would literally have to be prized open full force most days because it just wouldn't fucking open or close for that matter! It was basically a carcass and it was horrible but again as I said we coped we just did because we had too and to be quite Frank that wasn't the worst of it but I wont go in to detail about the rest! So I do know exactly what's it's like and its shit but I also know that if I had to be stuck in that flat 24/7 because of a pandemic I would do it! I just think that unfortunately there are too many people not abiding by the rules and doing whatever they want so I think there should be a full lockdown or ban on outdoor exercise whichever because unfortunately in the midst of a pandemic you kinda have to just have the attitude of shut up and put up! It's not nice but hey ho!! K

God knows why theres a k on the end of that bloody mistyping!!

Love your post the cats I hope to be a posh bitch one day
Also this:
This is when society starts to break down, someone yelling out the car at a poor family just going for a walk round the block, people yelling at each other for being 1.5 metres close instead of 2 meters, everyone blaming everyone else for the situation, this is far more frightening than the virus.
All day long.

I have got relative and friends in 3 different countries with full lockdowns, one of which is militant. They are still allowed shopping but only 1 person from the household. They are not allowed exercise outside and all but one family are in flats so are climbing the walls. They are still allowed to go food shopping, yes even for those so claimed non essentials bread and milk.

They need to get tough on the rule breakers. Those with parties, multi household gatherings, etc. The teens who ignore and congregate. Fine them. Impound cars etc. As they are doing in other countries. On the one hand it punishes those behaving badly, on the other it reassures and gives motivation to those obeying the rules and our key workers.

Going out for milk and bread, who are you to say if it's essential? Going for easter eggs only.. not essential and bloody stupid. Picking a few up while doing a big shop...fine. Don't forget that some places are still low/out of stock of things, others are limiting.

As to the people clocking neighbours making multiple trips....consider why they may be.
They may be flouting rules uncaring
Not enough stock in 1 store, get frozen/fresh home before queuing hours at other
Shopping for a vulnerable person

My neighbour 'appears' and was fb shamed for going out every day in 1 week
Days 2-4 she was caring, day 1 shopping for her large family, days 5 and 6 shopping for vulnerable and prescription. A lot of the time in our volunteer group the requests are made the night before for that day, not in advance so you can batch up.

Sunshine11 Take a moment to consider that we are all doing our best. My best may not be the same as your best, it may not be what you would do. But it is my best

As long as you’re only going out when you absolutely have to, then your conscience should be clear. It will be such a shame if the idiots flouting this cause us all to have to go to full lock down

I think those of us that have big houses and gardens should stay in so those with toddlers in flats can go out. Fine if rural but we in small city us with fortunate living conditions should free up the public space for those that aren’t.

Miljea

Hanywany there's no easy way to put this, but is your MH okay? You seem a little hysterical, tbh

What a nasty comment

I don’t understand why people think closing open air places (parks etc) can be part of a solution.

People will go out for exercise unless banned from it and it being strictly enforced.

In Paris, people are walking (or running) around the same block with their families, time and time again, to get their exercise. In addition, they cannot drive for food if they live within walking distance of a supermarket. This means couples going out together (to carry the bags home) multiple times a week to small local supermarkets. All this does is push people closer and closer together and increase disease spread.

The solution is to open up every space available and let people drive to them (keeping car parks 1/2 full with gaps). In addition, they need as much police presence in these places as possible, so people are reminded to keep their distance. I have seen zero police in parks near me (London Zone 3).

If the above happened people would be as spread out as possible making them saner, happier and healthier.

Just consider myself really lucky here in Dorset, everyone doing the right thing.
Go down to my allotment daily by foot (for exercise and to grow food). Everyone social distancing on the way ( if indeed I happen to meet anyone at all).
Hardly any cars around, apart from a few still needed for work ( my youngest sil is still required to go in to design face masks) depite asking if he can work from home ( no or lose your job). Has 5 month old baby so youngest daughter and sil need his job.
From what my eldest daughter says it's much the same in Somerset, eldest sil working from home designing respirators.

Middle sil ( Navy medic) posted to Covid ward in Derriford, Plymouth, with risk of being posted to NHS Nightingale if necessary.
We are not high risk but middle daughter ( effectively single mum) does our shopping with her own once every 2 weeks, whilst I weed her front garden keeping an eye on my grandchildren through the window.. Bread and milk can be frozen.
All 3 daughters take their children and dogs out ( individual families) once a day.
So family and general local population all doing our bit BUT not complacent, as I know we are considered to be about 2 weeks behind London.

For people with mental health issues, children with adhd, lone parents struggling with no support, dogs becoming snappy & overweight, mothers battling PND, etc etc, removing exercise could have catastrophic effects.
Fresh air is extremely beneficial to mind body and soul.
Also for those that live in areas where people are complying it feels even more unfair. Where I live, small village in Cornwall, I’ve not seen anyone rule breaking.
Only thing I’ve noticed on two shopping trips is elderly people taking items off the shelf then putting them back, while having scarves over their mouthes. Yet children on here get condemned for daring to enter supermarkets.
I really really hope they do not ban going outside. I for one do not know how I will mentally cope with that.

Agree with above poster. I'd encourage everyone not to handle food if you are not going to put it in your basket. When we get shopping it now gets washed or goes into decontamination for 72 hours because we have to assume the above scenario.

I think total lock down is unnecessary and unhelpful to the vast amount of people who are following the rules. Just crack down on the idiots who are still gathering. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will tip the police off (they know the places people are congregating anyway). Don't make the vast majority pay a heavy price, when they are sticking to the rules. I will do it if needed (we have an allotment but no garden as we are in a flat), but it will be awful for some families (kids with ADHD etc).

I really wish people would stop saying bread and milk can be frozen. They don't realise that not everyone has a big freezer or indeed a freezer! There was a post the other day where someone suggested buying a chest freezer! Yes, because if I haven't got the space for a full size freezer where am I going to fit in a chest freezer?!

I really wish people would stop saying bread and milk can be frozen. They don't realise that not everyone has a big freezer or indeed a freezer! There was a post the other day where someone suggested buying a chest freezer! Yes, because if I haven't got the space for a full size freezer where am I going to fit in a chest freezer?!

This! I have a normal fridge freezer. The freezer contains food for meals so I don't have to go to the supermarket very often. Because of this I have to do a top up shop at the corner shop which seems lower risk than going to the supermarket more often.

I don't have the need or space for a chest freezer, or the money to buy one!

Yes come on Hanaway. I'm fortunate to have a garden and a house but I remember how hard it is with small dc and you need to get out. It must be a nightmare with a flat.i'm happy here but do go out occasionally to shop or walk

I understand needing to go out but not those meeting in groups or still socialising.

Why risk your health. I worry every time I leave the house

@FatAlbert I have to take my wife for walkies. She has two artificial knees and palindromic arthritis, so can only walk on flat ground. We live in Hastings halfway up one of the seven hills, so obviously we have to drive. We have now been forbidden to drive to Alexandra Park, so we have to drive further afield. We take the dog.
I have to say we don't feel arrogant or ignorant, and we are not trying to irritate you, but there is nothing we can do. On the other hand, you might find an attitude of innocent until proven guilty might help restore some calm to your life.