People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

Honestly, people have lost it.

Milk and bread not essential?

Yes, we should all be following social distancing rules very closely and only going out when absolutely necessary.

But shopping for food, going to work, accessing medical care (for all needs not just COVID related), and having exercise IS essential. Military lockdown will only result in civil disobedience.

Social shaming is doing quite a good job of keeping most people in-line and evidence is that the majority of people ARE willingly following guidelines. We need to keep it that way. Imposing ever increasing rules will just mean more and more people start flouting them. Modeling (particularly the Imperial College Model) has also taken into account some non-compliance.

We also need to be very very very careful about how quickly and easily we have given up our freedoms indefinitely. Not suggesting for a moment that we should be complying but rather that we all need to be really aware of what we are giving up and why. And be willing to hold the government to account for unnecessary and ineffective restrictions

I understand how frightening it just be working in the front lines of this pandemic (have some experience of working in a failing over stretched Healthcare system during infectious disease epidemics) but a tighter lockdown WILL not stop you being iverwhe

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...a tighter lockdown today will not result in a dramatic decrease in cases as those on hospital today we're infected 3-4 weeks ago.

It is those that flout the rules that are not helping. Constant reminders on telly Internet about what to do and still don't listen. Last night my neighbour had a bbq and invited family over so just plain daft some people or just think it will not happen to me mentality.

They won't increase the lockdown. Not with Boris in hospital.

Interesting, I actually thought the opposite. If he pulls through, it will be relaxed (to whatever degree). If he dies, there will be panic and we'll suddenly have the Spanish or Italian style measures.

FelicisNox totally totally agree unfortunately lots of people on here just dont get it and do have there heads wedged firmly up their arses, you clearly are a frontline worker and yet according to others they have it harder than you!! But it's always that way if you have been to tenerife they have been to elevenerife! They have the cheek to stand and clap at there front doors but then go back and say oh who gives a shit! These are the same arsholes who shout and berate a nurse that does a 13 hour shift and goes to the front of the queue at aldi!

@Hanywany, I haven’t seen anyone on this thread who doesn’t give a shit. The majority of people are following the rules. Ok maybe not the made up rules spouted by some on here but then most people understand we don’t need to make life any harder than necessary

PinkSparklyPussyCat did you read the thread properly, all of it! Because it's clear as hell you haven't!

Yes I did actually do don’t do the eye roll emoji at me. I said the majority of people which, in case you don’t understand, doesn’t mean all.

Half the so called ‘rules’ on MN are made up by the truly batshit who seem to be in competition to be the most miserable.

What I have found interesting is the footage the media are using to demonstrate the allegedly horrific flouting of 'the rules'; drone shots of people alone or in groups of 3-4, like a couple of adults and two kids sitting at least 2m away from each other in a park, or a policewoman arguing with a single bloke sat on a bench; or Brighton beach, long shot, with maybe 20 people in the entire view; six cars in a car park next to a hill with not one single person in sight.

The narrative and the visuals are at odds with each other.

*What I have found interesting is the footage the media are using to demonstrate the allegedly horrific flouting of 'the rules'; drone shots of people alone or in groups of 3-4, like a couple of adults and two kids sittingatleast2m away from each other in a park, or a policewoman arguing with a single bloke sat on a bench; or Brighton beach, long shot, with maybe 20 people in theentireview; six cars in a car park next to a hill with not one single person in sight.

The narrative and the visuals are at odds with each other.*

I also noticed this. On a week like last weekend you would have expected not to be able to move on Brighton beach. I know that sitting on a bench isnt within the rules but there are news articles about crowded parks and hundreds of people ignoring instructions and a pic of a park with 5 people running a suitable distance from each other

In some ways, sitting still, in a park or on the beach, once you'd settled down at least 2m away from others, to me, sounds safer than people all moving around, dodging each other.

Kentonian12
"People shopping for food is acceptable". That's what The Rules say.
"People exercising is acceptable". Ditto.

But you've bunged a whole lot of allowable and unallowable things in here: "People holding parties, going to parks, seaside,bbqs like nothing is happening is totally unacceptable when putting people at risk"

People holding parties assuming with people from outside their household is not allowed.

People going to local parks or beaches, for exercise purposes, with members of their household, as long as they socially distance from others- is allowable.

Stop making stuff up.

In some ways, sitting still, in a park or on the beach, once you'd settled down at least 2m away from others, to me, sounds safer than people all moving around, dodging each other. It’s the sheer numbers of people who may also decide to sit that mean that it is advised against.

you have been to tenerife they have been to elevenerife!

@Hanywany

Love your terminology and know where you are coming from😊

finepeople if they are out without a very good reason and not folloeing the government rules to stop the virus spreading across the uk

fordk, with respect, keep up!

Have we not spent days on here discovering that one person's 'very good reason' is another person's call to imprison them?

Watching the news.

Why are the Dorset Police saying the coast is closed? What if you live by the sea? And are taking your exercise on the beach? Why are the police making people leave the beach? As one bloke, taking a rest, said to the two (!) PCs moving him on, 'You're the closest anyone has been to me today...'

The Dorset police are feeling left out, because there are relatively few cases and the vadt majority are observing the lock down

Still lots of kids hanging around in my bit pf dorset. A lot more police around today though, on bikes and cars.

10000 people dead by weekend according to sky. Still no full lockdown. Still idiots meeting and being moronic.

You don't understand how the policy is supposed to work, do you, MonkeyToes?

10000 people dead by weekend according to sky

Sad as it is this is going to happen anyway. Lockdown now won’t stop people dying this weekend.

Sad as it is this is going to happen anyway. Lockdown now won’t stop people dying this weekend.

There's definitely a prevailing attitude of 'flagellate thyself to prove thyself worthy' around at the moment. The idea is to have as happy and normal a time as possible whilst abiding by the rules - ensuring that you (and everybody else) are also in abject misery during challenging times and detesting every moment isn't going to make anybody safer. It reminds me of the old joke about the family who removed the budgie's swing from his cage on Sundays to make sure he wouldn't be enjoying himself.

Lockdown is to slow the amount of beds medical equipment and staff required.

So surely the government and anything to do with lockdown is going to be based on the number of new cases.

If deaths dropped right off, but there was 10,000 new, official cases a day (obviously this could be the case because we only test in hospital), then it's not a success and lockdown would continue.

My company works with the HSE. When discussing when we could reopen, there are trigger points they will be looking for (and tracking other countries coming out of lockdown). One was infection rate. Never mentioned death rate at all.

I get lots of people are tracking the death rate and looking to that as a sign that things are getting better or worse. On a personal level, that what's impacts us more. But does I think infection rate is far more important that death rate when deciding what to do about lockdown.