People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

Perhaps name, shame and fine those found out when they're not suppose to (without legitimate reason) and set a president that they stick with. Seems to be the only option available now, unless anyone has any other good ideas??

FFS Were not under Nazi Occupation !!! What next a scarlet letter.

If they stop daily exercise, I think more people will go to the shops more often, so as to have a reason to get out of the house. Not saying this is right, but I do believe it will happen.

WTF Is a 'full' lockdown

Army patrolling instead of police. Checkpoints and document checks. Permissions to leave the home etc.
France and Italy seem to be doing this at the minute, maybe some other countries too.

I thought a full lockdown was only leaving the house for food thats it! Not to go for a walk, meander, jog, bike ride, sunbathing, pushing kids in prams, gathering in groups, picnics, general taking the piss! Unfortunately the government gave tossers a loophole with regards to outdoor exercise and now every Tom, dick and harry are using it as an excuse to go out! No one needs to go for a run or walk or take the kids out because they are going stir crazy in the middle of a pandemic, they want to it's as simple as that!

@Hanywany what about parents in flats with no garden? Is it healthy for those children to go with fresh air and exercise for potentially months? What about vitamin d? And their mental well-being?

*to go without

In France , banged up in our own house, with tv and radio wood fires at night, home baked bread, and a chance to do everthing I have put off for years. If however we were to leave our property without a signed document with , name , address, time, and purpose for being outside , we would be fined and sent home. This is not a joke 1,000's of people are dying, only isolation will slow down the rate of infection, and give health services the chance to treat people. Just thank your lucky stars you have homes to stay in for your own safety, its not the sodding gulag, its your home!.

@haneywaney

Ofcourse people need to walk and kids need fresh air and excercise. The point is that it's safe to go for a walk and keep to the social distance.

Whilst there are lazy People who drive everywhere and watch tele all day. There are many people who wall, jog and keep healthy through excercise walking and running. My children are healthy. My 5 year old walks 2 miles a day to school and back. She is full of energy and will walk all day. She need excercise even in a pandemic. Theres nothing healthy about not leaving the house for 4-12 weeks. Not seeing anyone else and getting the heart and lungs working!

I don't thinking taking children for a walk in a push chair is doing as people please. Are you suggesting young toddlers and babies don't need fresh air and a change of scenery.

We've lost enough. I hope we don't loose our excerice over idiots.

Again stop judging everyone who's out!

A number of people have been demanding financial penalties for those found in breach of the restrictions - and of course, people should all heed and obey these; but it does strike me that this is not a level playing field between the poor and the wealthier members of society.

Better-off people living in nice houses with lovely big gardens have much more opportunity to get outside, get exercise, enjoy family leisure time - even barbecues, as long as nobody from outside the household is invited. However, if they do still decide that they want to go out wantonly for frivolous and disallowed purposes, they risk a fine, which is likely to represent a bit of an annoyance to a lot of them - I've heard amounts of between £30 and £60 being suggested.

Meanwhile, single parents and their children are cooped up together in small flats with no gardens or patios. In order to have the same exercise opportunities and avoid cabin fever and arguments, they have to run the gauntlet of stealthily going out to a public area where nobody else is about (and all of the parks have been closed, of course). If they are found guilty of going out unnecessarily and subsequently fined £30 or £60, they're back in the same intolerable boat they were before, only now also looking at a week or two of terror as to how they can feed their kids and keep the lights and heating on.

Normal life: unfair on the poor; life during COVID-19: far, far more so.

its not the sodding gulag, its your home!

Aahh but some people would like to turn it into the gulag!

Full lockdown is this, another country has done it today.

I don’t want it, but think it will come if the majority of the population are like the majority of the posters on here

www.thenational.ae/uae/health/coronavirus-dubai-residents-cannot-leave-home-without-new-permit-1.1001932

Just to give a bugbear of mine here - can we please not assume everyone in a flat is poor and struggling. We live in a small 2 bedroom gardenless flat but our combined income is 125k. It is just we live in London and it's expensive here.

I think it's a bit patronising to assume if you live in a flat you must be poor! Does a disservice to those who are actually struggling.

@DCOkeford if you think my comment was frothing at the mouth, you must have lived a sheltered life! It's absolutely nothing of the sort!

I stand duly corrected on the number of people, but that hardly condones them not paying attention to their children while they're gassing and 'havin a faaaag', does it?

Incidentally my comment didn't even suggest whether I wanted full lockdown or not, I was sharing my experience of people not taking care and questioning whether the government had factored in the inevitably the x no of people will not do as asked. I suggested you read That again before getting arsey.

It depends what your ‘home’ is like doesn’t it. If you live in a high rise, small, damp ridden flat with an abusive partner and young children to cater for, then it’s probably not much respite is it! Not everyone lives a middle class Waitrose lifestyle.

Aahh but some people would like to turn it into the gulag!
Wouldn't they just

On my local FB page, there are a small but loud minority crying out for a Dubai style of lockdown. One even commented how they chop the offenders hands off there. You could almost hear the salivating behind the keyboard

Just to give a bugbear of mine here - can we please not assume everyone in a flat is poor and struggling

Good point. We're not wealthy by any means but not on the bread line either. We live in a flat (admittedly with a very small garden) but we're in the south east so not cheap. We chose to live in a flat as we couldn't afford a house in this area.

The UAE … that bastion of democracy!!!!

Of course they are essentials @LoisLittsLover. Especially for children. What a silly thing to say.

The frustrating thing to me is that despite all leisure Centres, bowling alleys etc are shut, our local skate-board park remains open and is used exactly as before the lock-down!! Do these kids know what is happening, where do their parents think they are?? They stand in groups chatting, blocking the pathway and just DONT CARE!!

One even commented how they chop the offenders hands off there. You could almost hear the salivating behind the keyboard

Noooo! You'll be giving some of the more fervent Mumsnetters ideas!

I think we will have a complete lock down to cover the Easter weekend. Yes the majority are complying but there’s still a lot that aren’t. It’s the same with most restrictions- the majority are penalised for the actions of the minority. The boy racers round here seem to be having a field day. A guy nearly mowed me down twice yesterday seemingly doing some sort of sprint exercises from his front door to a few hundred yards up the road. Each time passing within a couple of feet. Kids on their bikes riding round for hours. Did you see the pictures of Richmond park?

I’ve seen quite a few multigenerational families meeting up. People seem to have this attitude of, it can’t pass between blood relatives, or well it’s family, these people don’t seem to understand the multiplying effect of what they are doing.

And I’m fed up of people saying, well I went out twice, but it’s ok I didn’t see anyone. The idea of not going out is limiting the amount of time you expose the outside world to you. It’s about you spreading the disease, as much about you picking it up. Yes go out, sneeze or cough, cover everything in fine spit contained in you exhales as you breathe heavily. It lands on surfaces, people touch those surfaces. You’ve spread the disease. Just stay home, it’s not hard.

Once again everyone is penalised for the stupid, selfish and lazy. Business as usual really.

@doghairismyglitter you cut them? That's what most dogs have if they spend their lives running on grass etc

It's clear on here that there are people using there children as an excuse to flout the rules! as I said before no one needs to go out in the middle of a pandemic that could potentially harm your child! And as for exercise clearly you are not using your imagination! Oh and vitamin d deficiency is neither here nor there if you have windows which let's face it everyone has and oh yes sunshine or day light which is always there! The only time you need to go out is for essentials! ESSENTIALS!!

I thought a full lockdown was only leaving the house for food thats it! Not to go for a walk, meander, jog, bike ride, sunbathing, pushing kids in prams, gathering in groups, picnics, general taking the piss!

Do you wear a little pert uniform with a nice nipped in waist, by any chance? And you should write for the Heil, with your conflating 'a walk' with 'a meander'. Very good.

Of your entire list, the only issue is 'gathering in groups' if they are not household members.

Didnt Matt Hancock say (whilst threatening to remove exercise) that the vast majority were abiding by it. It was the few that werent.

So it would make sense to actually enforce this one. Rather than apply stricter measures to the vast majority.

Those few, will still ignore it.