People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

But shouldn't we have more adequate policing of the current rules before making them more stringent? If people aren't responding to a largely unpoliced rule, they're unlikely to respond to another rule, unless the policing is stronger.

If everybody sitting on their bum in a park today had been fined £1000, I bet we wouldn't need to consider additional lockdown laws.

Fairies are wild, you can't be proposing that farming them would be acceptable!

Wild? They were absolutely livid once the farmer came around with his net

But shouldn't we have more adequate policing of the current rules before making them more stringent? If people aren't responding to a largely unpoliced rule, they're unlikely to respond to another rule, unless the policing is stronger.

Yes, that's it, I think. Take the anti-smacking laws, for example. The vast majority of parents don't do, but they're still terrified that they might have broken the law if they had to tap a toddler's hand away from danger or accidentally catch their child with their hand when passing something or gesticulating and the child jerks around unexpectedly. Meanwhile, the monsters who happily assault their kids on a whim just carry right on doing it anyway. I'm NOT saying we shouldn't have anti-smacking laws - just pointing out that many laws never actually touch those for whom they were intended.

'Wild? They were absolutely livid'

Thank you for that webuilt!

I think these people who call for a full lockdown - get some kind of kick out of the idea of sitting on their sofa and staying inside - all day and every day.

Or are do they all have large houses and gardens?

I think a lot of people are justifiably angry at those who are breaking the rules (or in some cases at those whom they see as taking the piss, even if techinically they are following the rules). For a handful of people who take this to the extreme, their desire to see 'justice' done by having the rulebreakers punished outweighs the inconvenience to themselves of having to stay inside, and also their consideration for other people living in circumstances where a full lockdown would be really difficult to cope with. At least that's my armchair psychology explanation

@BeetrootRocks - we seem to be at cross purposes here I wasn't suggesting the UK suddenly start manufacturing milk powder, but I thought that maybe it was sold in supermarkets as it is here. It isn't sold here because there isn't enough milk to go around (I can assure you there is plenty), but I know lots of people who use it for baking as they can use it even if they don't have enough milk already in the house. It's great for someone like me, as I rarely buy fresh milk and if I did most of it would be wasted.

If it isn't used in the UK then my suggestion was useless, but how was to know?

We don't really do powdered milk in the UK, no. On top of it being the norm, fresh milk has been strongly pressed over the years as a nutritious option.

The idea that bread and milk are not essential in the UK when they are genuinely staple here is bizarre. People really have gone bonkers over all this.

@BeetrootRocks I totally agree with the bread and milk not being staples post being ridiculous. What do they consider staples I wonder?

Incidentally - milk powder contains the same amount of nutrition as fresh milk does.

A full lockdown should be measured on whether the nhs is coping. Seeing as the nightingale is not being used yet I don’t see why people want a stricter lockdown other than being annoyed that people are exercising and shopping. For most people a daily exercise is their lifeblood.

I agree with the above. If spillover hospitals like nightingale become full then yes stricter lockdown or possibly regional specific ones if local health care systems start to collapse. There has to be a balance and for the moment, you can just about keep a shred of normality which is good for mental health. My next door neighbours are high risk and one of them has had mental health. Lots of people were out in my village yesterday. Everyone kept a distance and it was lovely to have a chat to people in their gardens. Apparently in one of the streets they all had evening drinks in their front gardens and have bought tables/benches out to the front to make it easier to chat. If you can make the best of lockdown while sticking to the rules then crack on. That said, there are some taking the piss. I saw a few teenagers messing around and taking selfies on the swings and then it was really hard to explain to my 3 year old why she wasn’t allowed on but the older girls were.

Yea to the 'Misery Olympics' and spying on neighbours! Total lack of proportion.
In Sweden they are only counting deaths as CV if the person has no 'underlying' health issues and no surprise is minimal. No scaremongering, no lockdown, people with 'underlying health issues and 'the elderly' are told to stay indoors, not the whole population! Much saner response.

Well this is thing.

People keep trying to compare our stats to every other country. But never every country is reporting the same.

I believe Germany is the same. Just because someone has covid when they die, they dont automatically go into the reported numbers.

We have other epidemics that are ongoing that kill people. Poverty, for example. Homelessness. Violence against women and children. What restrictions would people have found acceptable to deal with those? None. Suddenly some people are relishing the thought of military on the streets to “teach others a lesson”, but they wouldn’t have accepted any kind of restrictions to protect vulnerable people before now.

If Nightingale is used it means we're already way WAY over capacity, and that capacity is set by people who contracted virus possibly 10+ days ago. What you see now means bugger all. Why is that so hard to understand?

The things you do now may have consequences for up to 2 weeks from now. Or beyond. That's the whole point of the lockdown. Honestly getting so sick of the grumbles about minutiae. Hundreds of people are dying every day right NOW. Pack it in, quit with your whining and just give the health service an effing break.

People where I live certainly need a tough lockdown.

I live in a small housing estate, my neighbour, the ones the other side of her and another family at the end of the estate have spent everyday so far out in the streets all day, garden chairs for the adults in a close circle and the kids are running wild, next door has what seems to be an extra large family staying with her (no issue with this) but between them all there is about 8/9 adults and about 20 children.

It's bad enough that they're loud, smoking, drunk and swearing, ALL DAY AND ALL EVENING.
What is worse is that the way our houses are laid out, I cannot open my door whilst they're out there without first having to open an upstairs window and ask them to please move away so I can bring in a food delivery etc, I have had to ask them to please sop intercepting deliveries and carrying them to my door and knocking for a chat.
My kids can't get the our garden space without having to go through the group of kids and we can't put bins out until they all disappear early, early morning.
Cars full of new families seem to turn up now and again for a few hours and leave.

I'm NOT a curtain twitcher, this is happening loudly outside my kitchen, we're a family of 6 in and 2.5 bedroom house with a child on the spectrum and once very sick child with respiratory disease. My tiny kitchen is the only space I can sometimes get 2 minutes peace in as DH is working non stop on conference calls in the .5 'bedroom'

When we're not going through a pandemic and my neighbours are like this I don't care, I roll my eyes slightly at the most but this is taking the piss. Luckily we're shielding so aren't leaving the house anyway but people have to risk themselves coming to my door to deliver food and medication. It's not fair on them.

People where I live certainly need a tough lockdown.

And what makes your think they would pay attention to a tougher lock down?

Well I'd hope that there would be someone enforcing it if it were tougher. I don't necessarily know what 'tougher' would consist of, I was more pointing out that in my sleepy little village a fairly large number just in one estate alone aren't even pretending to comply with social distancing and the knock on effect of that on others.

@LilacTree1 the quarantine has been imposed by the government. We’ve been put in some kind of furnished apartment complex (either a hotel or student apartments I suppose) with police stationed outside (or in the lobby I guess, we haven’t seen them much, just their cars parked up) and a catering company (not sure but seems like it judging by the kind of stuff we’re given) are leaving food outside our apartment. They knock, we wait a minute for them to get back to the lift, then we open the door to collect.

Well I'd hope that there would be someone enforcing it if it were tougher.

Then surely it would be better just enforcing this one?

milk and bread

What is it always 'milk and bread'

AsDA supercentres (the massive ones) sell a lot more than that. People are not nipping out because they're down to their last crust.

@LilacTree1 sorry, that was a bit thick of me (jet lag!). The government has organised and implemented the lockdown on a logistical level so we weren’t allowed to go to our house to self isolate but rather were taken to a facility by the police. Tbh I’m a bit sketchy on the details, there hasn’t really been much communication (understandably, they’ve got their hands full). We’ve also been told that there is a medical team set up to deal with us and that we can order deliveries to the reception that will be sent up in a similar fashion to the food.

I don't know the answer, I'm tired (chronic insomnia) and worried, I was musing is all. My neighbours aren't known for following rules and regulations at the best of times so who knows what it would take.