People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

@TitsalinaBumSquash aplogies if it came across as though I was being arsey.

My point is a larger proportion are latif attention. Whatever, enforcement rules would need to be brought in to enforce a tougher lock down, could simply be brought in to enforce this one.

People seem happy to give up their freedom and safety (a different op wants martial law, army in the streets with automatic rifles and people forced locked in their homes. Having lived like that, it's not safe) when we could just enforce this one.

Yesterday, according to another thread, surrey police tweeted a video of people sunbathing in Richmond. Their message was stay at home. That they shoudlnt have been out.

The tweet reads like its saying 'we arent doing our job' if people were our sunbathing police could have moved them along. The fact that people were out is an admittance they arenr doing anything to enforce it. Police were asked to back off a bit because some were stopping all cars, trying to tell shops what they could sell.

I am pretty sure the new powers, allow them to move people along. There werent asked to not do that. The fact that people were out and about, sat around having a coffee means they arenr actually doing anything productive.

Or did they move everyone along and it was quiet for the rest of the day?

My point is simply that making a stricter lockdown, only impact the people who are already paying attention and following the guidelines.

The dicks wi carry on being dicks.

"If spillover hospitals like nightingale become full then yes stricter lockdown or possibly regional specific ones if local health care systems start to collapse."
The problem is, let's assume this stricter lockdown can be enforced the minute the hospital notices it's near capacity.
The hospitalisation will be of people who were infected up to X days ago, so new patients will still be arriving for quite a while, in increasing numbers.
There is a delay between taking action such as tightening lockdown, and seeing its impact.

Regina, apologies if I've missed a backstory, where are you and why are you in this situation? Are you a health care worker?

I do a twice weekly shop, because I don’t buy everything I need in the one shop.

I go to woollies on Thursday or Friday for my ‘main’ shop of bread (branded, the only one we can eat), milk, branded snacks, as my kids have issues and would rather literally starve than change brands.

Then I do Aldi on Sunday or Monday to top up milk, and buy cleaning products and toiletries, sugar, flour, etc as these are cheaper than woolies and I’m on a tight budget.

I usually do a fruit and veg shop somewhere else too but have cut this out and just buying whatever is cheap from either woolies or Aldi.

I’m also human and often forget stuff. I don’t go back until my shopping days, but it does mean I spend a few days not being able to make a planned meal because I’ve forgotten one ingredient, so I don’t judge those who do choose to go back, especially if on a tight budget and that planned meal was all they had to eat that day.

Shopping around for specials is the only way some people survive, and manage to do a decent food shop on a budget. Some of you are truly showing your privilege here.

@StealthPolarBear no, I’ve just crossed a border into a country that quarantines people when they get in. The virus isn’t that widespread here so they’re focusing on containment.

To the pp talking about civil unrest in Italy.
A couple of robberies in supermarkets and a self-employed bloke kicking in a cashpoint because it hasn't been filled up doesn't mean civil unrest.

People are pretty much respecting the lockdown and as the curve has started to at least plateau continue to do so.

Everyone has taken a dive in finances, and most people live in flats.

The health authorities also make the point that the two main places where people come into contact with other people are hospitals and supermarkets.

Our police put a post on Facebook yesterday regarding cars parked the length of an area on the A30 to get to a local beauty spot. The car park is closed, so they parked all up the road for miles.
Police have given them the necessary guidance etc but this goes to prove that not everybody is following the rules. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening

How was Italy's lockdown compared to the UKs?
It's my impression theirs was much stricter than ours.
And yet we've overtaken them with no sign of it slowing as yet.

But maybe their lockdown wasnt stricter?

I'm in Italy. Our lockdown is much stricter and has been going on for much longer. It takes quite a few weeks to see any effect - surely in the UK it's only been a week? Or have I lost count? Here schools have been closed since the last week in February in my area and a week later nationwide.

The U.K. deaths on that graph are of people who caught it before lockdown. You won’t see the effects of lockdown on deaths for a while yet.

I'm in Italy. Our lockdown is much stricter and has been going on for much longer. It takes quite a few weeks to see any effect - surely in the UK it's only been a week?

They’ve only been closed for two weeks so far.

What’s the talk in Italy about schools going back?

Yes it is.
One person can go out food /medicine shopping
Anyone out has to have an "authorisation" declaring where they are going and why and confirmation from of their address
No dog walking or exercise other than a quick walk near your house. In many towns, parks, promenades, anywhere known for people gathering are closed off by the police
Only food shops and pharmacies open
Only keyworkers health, food, logistics (distribution of food/medicine)
Schools all totally closed since beginning of March nationally and mid-late Feb in hotspots
Schools all doing online video lessons. Not allowed to just send materials.

Obviously, you'll get the odd person still thinking it doesn't apply, but they are few and far between as evidenced by the fact that the envisaged plateau and hopefully soon flattening of the curve is happening. Overall figures have been stable for a week now. Still high of course, because Italy also acted nationally too late, but still managed to contain much of the infection in the north/north west.

Nothing specific has been said about schools beyond the national lockdown review dates (13/4) but the feeling is they'll be the last thing to go back and not before May. Obviously even then it will only be if the curve is well and truly flattened.

but the feeling is they'll be the last thing to go back and not before May

That’s interesting. Many people on MN are the opposite and many seem to think they will be the first back?

Same in France, I have some family there, curfew of 9pm in certain parts (excluding key workers), cannot exercise more than 2k from your home, you need a paper declaration every time you go out.

I think we are 'lucky' here, if we can say that, to not have these stricter rules. Hopefully we won't have them soon..

Appuskidu- From what I hear here, production will go back first then things like bars and restaurants to get the economy moving.
I suppose it will depend from country to country.
We are having meetings every afternoon this coming week with school management to plan the next wave of distance learning to come into force on 15/4 (despite lockdown date for review being 13/4) . Initially, the distance learning was left up to each teacher to decide how, when and on what platform etc but after Easter it will be 18 hours per class per week. Feeling was that asking kids to sit in front of a screen of 4-5 hours video lessons a day was too much (my school is 30 contact hours over 6 days for the kids) do they'll be substantially reduced after Easter.

@TheCanterburyWhales You sound much more organized re: schools than we are! At elementary level we have just been sent materials so far, no video lessons and tbh I really hope it stays that way! We don't even have enough electronic devices if everyone starts having to attend video lessons. I don't think they will go back until September. My son told me that they are going to decide this weekend whether everyone has automatically passed this year? Do you know anything about that? Fingers crossed as he was at risk of retakes!

Can posters stop commentating on whether milk and bread are essential please? As far as I can see, only one poster suggested that. I’m pretty sure that the main gripe here is to do with people blatantly socialising and making multiple trips out every day. These people are prime contenders for the Darwin awards, but will sadly be the people clogging up A&E. People need to stay in to protect the NHS.

Hey Seventy From what I've understood, everyone will pass their year, even if they had debiti from the primo quadrimestre..in addition, they are talking about a 6 "politico" for any who would have a debito at the end of the year, but I guess that's still under discussion and a work in progress depending on when/if we go back. I suppose we have more chance of going back than you guys as we aren't so affected.
Take care

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Shopping once a week here only if can't get online delivery slot. Freezing bread to have in the week. Buying 3 large containers of milk which keeps five days then making do with long life until next shopping. Sitting in garden for fresh air and excercising on excercise bike some days. It will only be for a short time if idiots don't take the piss. I'm trying to use the time sorting house out by decluttering.

Milk and bread for a family of six whilst trying to avoid the big shops are totally needed at least every couple of days

I work in a supermarket and what I’m seeing is the same people in several times a week, food shops are the new days out! I’ve overheard customers say I’m on my daily exercise so came to the shop again! I have kids and we are getting a bit stir crazy but it needs a full on lockdown to be able to get back to any normalcy!

The trick is to make the turkeys want christmas

Full lockdown bring it on. Sooner its done sooner this will sort itself out x