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People demanding a full lock down

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Londongirl88888 · 04/04/2020 16:05

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

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Reginabambina · 04/04/2020 23:16

I’m currently in quarantine (basically my family of four is locked in an apartment with no access to fresh air, we are having food delivered three time a day). It’s not that bad but the children are watching a lot of tv and DH and I are struggling to get work done. We’ll be in here for two weeks. Most people could manage two weeks of this if they had to but I really really don’t think it’s necessary to do this to the entire population.

eaglejulesk · 04/04/2020 23:23

I didn't say there was anything wrong with buying milk, but surely it is worth trying something else if you need to keep going to the shops every day or two? Milk powder is fantastic for baking. Have any of you ever tried milk powder before you dismiss it?

I am from a country which exports a huge amount of milk powder, so there must be people using it. However, I can see I am being ridiculous - this is after all MN where people sit all day just waiting to shoot someone down in flames should they dare to suggest something even vaguely helpful.

LilacTree1 · 04/04/2020 23:27

Regina you have food delivered three times a day? I realise that’s not UK but the person buying the food...?

To the person saying “why buy two items” - could be a pack of fish and a bag of potatoes while veg, bread, milk etc is already at home in a freezer?

Tonyaster · 04/04/2020 23:28

I do have uht milk in the cupboard. Haven't seen milk powder for years!

BeetrootRocks · 04/04/2020 23:30

In the UK we do use a lot of fresh milk. It's just a cultural norm. Same as we eat bread as a staple and a lot of potatoes too, while other countries use rice etc.

Our fairy farms are an important (and underpaid) part of our food supply. Because we have lots of farms and are quite small and not generally warm, we have fresh milk, and it's a norm.

Do we have much milk powder in the shops? Probably not. Do we have the means to change from fresh milk to making it into powder? Don't know. I grew up in the days when there were ads on TV extolling the benefits of fresh milk. Having it free in schools has been a political hot point over the years.

If you start removing things like fresh milk then this crisis gets to another level. When we don't even need to. And as we are set up for fresh, I don't even know that it would be practical.

Randomschoolworker19 · 04/04/2020 23:32

Yeah milk and bread are pretty much essentials.

I'm very fortunate that my milk man delivers my milk and bread so I don't need to go shopping as frequently.

Appuskidu · 04/04/2020 23:35

Our fairy farms are an important (and underpaid) part of our food supply

I’m sorry. I know this is a typo but I just love the idea of a fairy farm! Free range fairies, obviously GrinGrin

BeetrootRocks · 04/04/2020 23:36
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eaglejulesk · 04/04/2020 23:37

@Tonyaster and @BeetrootRocks - NZ is very much a dairy country and in the area where I live there are a lot of dairy farms, so of course we drink fresh milk (well I don't, hate the stuff). Maybe we don't export much whole milk powder to the UK, but I can assure you we export it to many other countries. As I said, milk powder is excellent for baking.

BeetrootRocks · 04/04/2020 23:39

Saying bread and milk are not essentials in UK is like saying pasta is not essential in Italy or rice in India.

Bread milk spuds cheese eggs are things we use a lot, they are a large part of the staple diet here.

The reaction to this is nuts. Our staple foods are not essential? Ummmm...

BeetrootRocks · 04/04/2020 23:40

How do you make milk powder? Does the UK have such factories? Is it necessary to switch when the fresh milk supply chain is intact and a source of livelihood for many farms?

Eckhart · 04/04/2020 23:51

@Appuskidu Fairies are wild, you can't be proposing that farming them would be acceptable!

eaglejulesk · 04/04/2020 23:53

@BeetrootRocks - I don't know exactly how milk powder is made, other than by drying fresh milk, and I have no idea if it is done in the UK, maybe not. Maybe it's not a "thing" in the UK.

Is it necessary to switch when the fresh milk supply chain is intact and a source of livelihood for many farms?

As to the question above - where do you think the fresh milk to make milk powder comes from? Obviously from the same farmers.

All I was doing was offering a suggestion from a country where there are more dairy cows than people, but what would I know!

m0therofdragons · 04/04/2020 23:56

My house backs onto a main road (main road for the West Country, not a dual carriage way) and having been out in the garden today you'd think it was a normal day as the traffic was standard amount. I was really surprised. People round here are still going to beauty spots to walk their dogs even though there's loads of parks in this town - apparently dogs "need the mental stimulation" they get from a specific beauty spot with a gorgeous view.

Everyone seems to be trying to justify a way that the rules don't apply to them or can be interpreted differently to suit their selfish wants.

Every time I leave the house there is a risk that on my return I bring it home. That risk could kill my husband or dc so I will not take that risk any more that is absolutely necessary. Just because you're allowed to exercise outside once a day doesn't mean you have to everyday. Stay home!

LimitIsUp · 05/04/2020 00:03

You lack imagination Motherofdragons. Not everyone lives in the same circumstances as you. In rural areas of low population density we can go out and exercise daily and pretty much time unlimited and yet see less than a dozen people - usually several metres away and certainly far further away than the minimum of two. You stay home if you want, i don't intend to

m0therofdragons · 05/04/2020 00:08

@LimitIsUp I saw a poster of a gate in a field that said this gate has been touched by 54 people in 24 hours... just because you don't see people doesn't mean it's safe. I'd love to say you can put your household at risk but that means you're also putting my colleagues at risk. Just stay home. You're not being sent to the trenches.

Side note: Driving your car increases the risk of car accidents and extra pressure on nhs.

LimitIsUp · 05/04/2020 00:11

I do go through one gate - that's true. I use anti bac gel immediately after and desist from touching my face

There is far, far more risk in the viral soup of a supermarket

m0therofdragons · 05/04/2020 00:13

There's loads of risk in the supermarket, I agree. I've had my shopping delivered for 6 years but can't get a slot so now have to go.

Bornfreebutincovidchains · 05/04/2020 00:17

Op I've not trawled through but I totally agree.

We don't need to go out yet and we have been out once in 14 days.
We've been working from home and dc have a good sized garden.
Yes as everything in life we will have fools but mostly people are sensible.

The worst thing is the mini stalin breaking out of people.

We need to stop transmission. That's the whole point and seriously, a family stopping after a walk to sit in the sun away from people isn't going to harm anyone.

calpolatdawn · 05/04/2020 00:19

im in agreement op, its the same kind of mentality that goes along with being angry at people wearing masks, and when i explained that not every at risk person i. e ashmatic, diabetic etc has the luxury of staying indoors for 12 weeks whilst otjers get supplies for them. weve all become so hysterical, also be careful whst you wish for, if full lockdown happens will it ever fully go back to normal.

Bornfreebutincovidchains · 05/04/2020 00:25

Re gates. Who touches them! I've never touched all these gates or put my hand in the usual area going through any door. I've always used a sleeve, or foot, or the side of my hand! Or bag or something....

Enough4me · 05/04/2020 00:31

I really do not want full lockdown, but the people who think the advice does not relate to them may well force it this way. The people who:
go to shops in large groups, have house parties, pop in and out of friends houses. The police cannot run around monitoring everybody and I think eventually we will all end up stuck in.

Polly02 · 05/04/2020 00:36

I think these people who call for a full lockdown - get some kind of kick out of the idea of sitting on their sofa and staying inside - all day and every day.

Or are do they all have large houses and gardens?

Maybe it's a mixture of the two ...

MigginsMrs · 05/04/2020 00:46

*The only people against stricter measures are the ones flouting the current ones.

Just another variation on the dangerous old chestnut "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". Naive in the extreme and the thin end of the wedge of begging for a police state before long at all.*

Yes this, @WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll
. I was thinking exactly this about the “nothing to hide” etc but couldn’t get the words out lol

BeetrootRocks · 05/04/2020 00:57

Eagle I didn't ask where the milk came from! I asked whether, as a country that didn't really use it, it makes sense to switch to milk powder. There must be some process to make it into powder which I doubt we are set up for. It doesn't make sense to start importing milk powder when we have plenty of milk with a well established supply chain in the UK.