People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

The lockdown is already doing what it was intended to do - slow the rate of infection. The economy is at risk of collapse and if it does this will do more damage than the virus. Government needs to think now how to return to normality while controlling the virus spread over the next month or so. This is hardly the time for tougher restrictions.

People are allowed to leave the house once a day to exercise. That includes walking past your house. That’s probably why you keep seeing people - they are exercising and getting some fresh air. As long as they are social distancing it really doesn’t matter. The virus isn’t air borne. Btw - families are allowed out to exercise together.

People need to eat. Nutritional deprivation is actually likely to weaken your immune system and make you more susceptible to serious infection. So those starving themselves now might want to rethink. The intention is for most of us to get the virus eventually. So keeping healthy is very important for us all, particularly in lockdown. Exercise and vitamin D from being in daylight is important for this as well.

So it is essential that everyone is allowed outside once a day to exercise, and to go out when they need to to stop up on food and medicine. These things are essential because we all need to stay as healthy as we can for when the lockdown ends and we are exposed to the virus again. The lockdown is not about stopping the virus. It’s about slowing it down. We all need to make sure our bodies are in their best state to fight the virus when it eventually comes.

From your ivory towers, think of those on low or almost non existent incomes who don’t have enough money to buy food in bulk. Or the families trapped together in tiny flats, or bedsits.

And do you think a tougher lockdown will stop infringements? It won’t. Italy fined thousands. And now there is growing social unrest. A total lockdown, when thousands have lost their income and livelihoods from this already, is likely to cause unrest here.

I actually think some people enjoy being as confrontational and as anti authoritarian as they can be. That they do it for shits and giggles and think they're clever for sticking it to the man!

"Hey look they want us to go shopping less frequently ... but look dear! These policy writers are so stupid! No where does it say we can't go every day so guess what? I'll just go and get a few items to stick it to em! I'm so clever me..."

"Don't you normally only go once a week?"

"I know right .... it's brilliant!"

Rebooting “needs their bumps felt.”

Love this expression, it’s new to me 😂

@GoldenOmber

The problem with that mentality is that if everyone thought. "It's okay if I don't social distance because everyone else will," then before you know it no one is social distancing.

It's hardly fair is it?

Fine, phone is turned off then.

I've been seriously thinking about whether I should leave my phone at home when going out for a walk or to buy essentials, in case anybody in authority disagrees with me about what technically constitute essentials (not bread or milk, as we've been told!) or legitimate exercise. That said, of course we're using cards to pay wherever possible to avoid making shop workers have to handle cash, so the proof of where you went is there anyway.

I live in the UK in 2020 - not wartime Pyongyang. What's going on?

I’m not a shopper, hate shops

But was thinking, how would little shops survive if people don’t pop in for stuff?

Randomschoolworker19, where on earth did I say "It's okay if I don't social distance because everyone else will"?

I said that lockdown won't fail because a small percentage of people refuse to follow the rules. Which is true. That's what our modelling is all based on, the recognition that some people will be useless. Yes they SHOULD follow the rules, along with the rest of us - but fortunately, they still won't ruin it for everybody if they don't, because enough of us are.

WeBuilt yes. I’m wondering if I ought to at least switch my phone off for some of the day and that would include going for a run, so if I arrive home a minute late, hopefully it can’t be tracked.

LilacTree1 that's why we're trying to use the local shops as much as possible. Our local corner shop has had things the supermarkets have sold of and they haven't increased the prices. Our butcher is doing deliveries so we'll order from them as well (before anyone says I should go, they are encouraging deliveries). I want those shops to still be there after this.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Yes, it's all very sinister

There was something about AIDS being a man made disease but who know.

Definitely the cash will cancel, food control and humans being micro chipped stuck in my mind

the families trapped together in tiny flats, or bedsits.

I feel desperately sorry for people who live in flats right now, or indeed anybody whose door(s) opens out on to a public pavement and who have no private outside space of their own at all.

Large blocks of council/housing association flats are frequently planned to be next to a large public park or playground. Presumably, the thinking is that you don't have your own garden or outside space, but you do have this lovely big communal area on your doorstep available for your free use at any time. Well, normally....

Pink, so if I fancy some chocolate, do I pop to the corner shop and get it or will they hate me?

I don’t expect to go to a supermarket for at least a week.

If we had a proper testing, contact tracing and isolation programme we wouldn’t need tighter lockdowns. Look at South Korea and Singapore. They had much earlier outbreaks and far less deaths. Lockdown is useless without testing and tracing we can’t get out of it

Lilac you may well have opened a whole can of worms here!

Personally I have my chocolate stash from the corner shop when we have been buying essentials like milk and eggs. I probably wouldn't go just for chocolate but if you have to do a top up shop then there's no harm in getting treats as well.

LoisLittsLover

Milk and bread do not need to be purchased every few days. They are not essentials

😂😂😂

I think you need to add water and air to your list too

Pink, sorry, yes I have
So if I go to Aldi for my essential shop, they make a fortune anyway

Wouldn’t it be better to support the local shop and get choc in there?

Sorry Lilac, I was being a bit tongue in cheek after the events on a post last night! To be honest I really don't see the harm in going to the corner shop for chocolate, it's not as though you're going every day. Just warning you, others won't agree!

Rather than having a stricter lockdown for everyone eg nobody allowed out for exercise, I'd suggest the police start asking people what they're doing out when they're meandering around the park in groups or clogging up the canal tow paths (which are not 2 metres wide). Don't spoil it for everyone, just target the rule-breakers!

I'm amazed at stats that 63% of people in the UK are overweight or obese given that everyone has taken up daily exercise as compulsory. We'll be a nation of athletes following this.

The police were moving people on from.brighton beach today.
There's been photos over twitter of parks full of people.
This comes after the news of a 5 year old dying.

There is going to be 20000+ deaths in this country because people just arent getting the message. I wouldn't be surprised if it hits 40000 plus (based on 60% infection rate and death rate of just 1%)

I live in a flat by myself with no garden.

Social distancing and lock down is a pain but it can be done.

The current restrictions will not eradicate the spread of the infection and I don't think that's what the government actually wants anyway.

Until there is a vaccine, it will be impossible to stop it altogether even if we all stayed in and ate dust for the next month as there will always be key workers that need to be out and we continue to repatriate from abroad without any isolation guidance, so the current measures are around flattening the peak so that the NHS can cope with the numbers.

Any lockdown increase will be guided by the numbers being admitted to hospital and fatalities. Also there's a fair chance that a number of us have already had the virus - our household certainly had an odd bug recently that laid DH and I out for a couple of weeks. I think the government has already factored in some infractions around the guidelines.

@Candycane45

Do you think 80% of us will get it in the end? I'm still confused (probably because there isn't the testing)

How many get the virus but are asymptomatic?

How many people get a cough and nothing else?

How many feel well enough to work and carry on and put the symptoms down as a normal cold/mild tickly cough?

Do some only get a fever?

What I've seen of "mild cases" are people saying they feel absolutely terrible. Feeling extremely fatigued and breathless, struggling to walk around the house. Fever and coughing loads (videos on BBC etc)

It doesn't seem "mild" or "pleasent" even in cases dealt with at home.

Also the cases in the media that have been reported this week that jump out at me are

13 year old with no underlying problems.
48 year old mum of 6 year old twins.
50 something year old found dead in flat after girlfriend didn't get a text back.
21 year old carer died on sofa as ambulance said she wasn't a prority.
72 year old local businesses with no health problems dies in intensive care after catching coronavirus.

If the plan is to let most of us get it. Then shouldn't they be testing more first. To see how many have got immunity already? The last thing we want when the restrictions are lifted is 1000s of children left without a parent, or young teenagers who didn't have any known risks dying suddenly. It's all very scary in that respect isn't it?

I'm not directing this at you as such. I'm just writing my thoughts down.

I think this virus has proven it will take anyone this week. I think there are people who don't particularly fall into vunerable categories but they are.

For example children with asthma?
Many people could potientally have an unidentified heart issue that wouldn't normally be an issue.

Ive got a friend mid 30s who's diabetic. She uses diet to control it and is fit and healthy, she uses the gym and walks miles and eats great. But she has that risk to her life. She has a young son. If he goes back to school and brings it home it could kill her.

Also kids don't seem prone to it. But kids need testing don't they? To see if they have immunity too this virus?

We definitely need to use testing to protect ourselves. Sorry about this random change in discussion. It just freaks me out abit when people write most of us will get it. Only because even the mild case looks scary as hell and I can imagine you would spend your days scared to sleep incase you wake up worse.

I think people are scared and think the virus will go away and everyone will be saved if we lock down forever.

I work in retail.

I can confirm that where I work is busier mon-fri than it ever has been. People see supermarkets as social destinations now in a way they never did previously.

We see the same people daily, often multiple times a day.