People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

@StealthPolarBear

I imagine in China if you didn't have your phone on you so they could scan your QR code then they would arrest you.

My understanding of the app was you had to register your address and boundaries were set up. Similar to those parent tracking apps, and alarms would go off if you went past the ring fence.

I'm not saying that is what is going to happen btw. I'm saying it's one possible way things could be enforced.

The word "essential" isn't used at all in the section of the Regulations to which you refer - s6(2)(a)

It is irrelevant as to how anyone defines it, as IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE REGULATIONS.

Who has said they go shopping every day?

You are allowed to go shopping as frequently as you wish. Several times a day if you fancy it.

FFS were doing worse than Italy. Stay inside you idiots.

FFS were doing worse than Italy.

Yep and still the police are moving people off beaches who had lit a BBq..

But full lockdown is a silly and extreme idea... wait til 20000 people are dead and it's still rising...

@oneliner

If you think the regulations should be tighter, then you need to lobby for them to be changed.

You must be able to see how unreasonable it is for you to make up your own super strict regulations and then get arsey when people don't follow them?

An app? Jesus Christ. No thanks and thank fuck we don’t live in a country like that

Randomschoolworker19 oh I see.
Mine runs out of battery quite frequently.

8 pints of milk is v heavy!

I would struggle to carry a weeks worth of food for the family in one go. In fact when I lived alone I struggled if I even had to add washing powder, bulky things like toilet paper, and drinks esp are heavy (milk juice etc).

I think so many people do a big shop in a car they forget loads of people don't live like that. Loads of people further into London don't have a car as the transport is so good.

And lots of people won't be able to store 8 pints milk anyway.

These posts just show up how insular so many people are. That they don't even get that the family in the flat without a car down the road has very different requirements and necessities to them.

(Ponders essential via non-essential lobsters, and if one can freeze them in bits in ice cube trays)
To put in one's tea when the milk runs out...

I would eat both the essential and non essential lobster happily.

An app? Jesus Christ. No thanks and thank fuck we don’t live in a country like that

I agree. I'm sure some people on MN would be happier in China or North Korea though.

Enjoying a very essential gin and lemon soda, complete with ice cubes. Real ice that is, not milk.

*I think so many people do a big shop in a car they forget loads of people don't live like that. Loads of people further into London don't have a car as the transport is so good.

And lots of people won't be able to store 8 pints milk anyway.*

How much do you bet that these are the very same people who only last week were clutching their pearls over 'selfish' people stockpiling essential items?

I've just had a very essential takeaway curry and cherry coke. I might finish off with a very essential Baileys with real ice cubes

Unfortunately my non-essential Indian takeaway has closed, though hopefully not for too long. I'd have made the occasional non-essential trip there otherwise.

You must be able to see how unreasonable it is for you to make up your own super strict regulations and then get arsey when people don't follow them?

I don’t think that they do.

My best guess is that because some people feel out of control due to the uncertainty of the situation they are trying to exert control by insisting on super strict regulations and a ‘full lockdown’.

It is also much easier to blame people around them who they believe are not doing the right thing than recognising that the virus is one of those things that we can’t really control.

And before anyone jumps all over that statement I am aware that we can control our response to it, but we can’t stop them from happening in the first place. The world is full of pathogens and pathogens mutate.

I don't know how long they will stay open for. We've been going there for 20 years so while they're open we'll support them.

A Christian called Barry Smith talked about this in the early 90s as a future happening and also being controlled by food so this is interesting

I remember hearing some of what he said. He came out with some absolutely crazy ridiculous stuff that is starting to sound eerily familiar these days....

I recall that he also drew attention to a statement attributed to Henry Kissinger that by controlling food, one can control people, and by controlling energy, one can control nations.

Even if no government now or in future would ever be interested in exploiting cashless technology for control, I could well envisage the banks (and maybe major retailers too) selling your information for marketing purposes - like they do with cookies on the web already. Imagine spending money on a loaf of Hovis and then instantly hearing your phone ping with an advert/voucher for Lurpak.

You wouldn't need the staff in Currys to bother you and try to flog you a £65 gold-plated HDMI lead that's supposedly 'so very much better' than the £5 one you've already bought, as the cable companies would be clogging up your inbox as soon they get the notification that you bought a posh new telly 5 seconds ago. Maybe not even just a text or email - how about an instant video call from a pushy salesman telling you why your firstborn will die if you only use a standard lead.

The saddest thing is that, to many younger people who've only ever known life in a digital internet-linked world, there won't even seem anything strange or concerning about this.

@StealthPolarBear

Yeah I reckon people tried the old, "sorry officer but my phone just suddenly and very coincidentally and not to mention conveniently ran out of battery, please can I go through the check point anyway?"

What do you think they said?

Anyone who thinks they need an app to track exactly where we all are and where we have been needs their bumps felt.

The data is all there and collected every few minutes against your phone number anyway. There was a woman on the news the other night explaining how they are already using this in the US to monitor the spread (mainly from spring break gatherings)

It only takes a change of legislation to make it available for them to use and you couldn’t use a phone and opt out

Randomschoolworker19 no mine genuinely does! I'd have to carry a power pack with me

Fine, phone is turned off then.

This also brings to mind the classic psychological experiment by Stanley Milgram, whereby participants - everyday folk off the street - were randomly assigned the role of prisoner or guard with the guards told to make decisions as to how the prisoners should be treated. His findings made for horrific reading.

I get the feeling that there is no level of lockdown short of martial law that would satisfy some people. And even then there'd be complaints that the police weren't using real bullets when Mrs Merton from across the road went more than 35ft from her front door.

We don't need every single person to follow the rules for this to work. The government already knows that some people won't follow the rules and all the modelling is done with that in mind. We just need enough people to follow the rules. Early indications are that this is happening, which is good news, surely?