Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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All I’ve heard re exit strategy is that there’s no comment yet on what it will be, they need the data from lock down

Have the government said something else?

It really annoys me when they say that school closures alone would only reduce by a certain percentage. How many large and serious pandemics have we had where they closed only the schools and did no other measures? I'm guessing pretty much zero.

The model presumes that children have twice the contacts of an average spreader whilst at school. I think this is very low. They also presume that if schools are closed they will have twenty five percent more contacts outside the school setting - so not a lockdown situation at all.

And it's a model, so not grounded in any empirical evidence at all. Bit too much of that going on, if you ask me.

Why don't we just use the fact that we are behind other countries, see what they do, see how it works, and copy the ones that seem to match our general situation and have good results. Or is that too basic and simple?

Absolutely agree Nellodee.

It's a bit like the mass gatherings thing but then Cheltenham etc don't tie in with that.

Why don't we just use the fact that we are behind other countries, see what they do, see how it works, and copy the ones that seem to match our general situation and have good results. Or is that too basic and simple? It is probably to late. The next fortnight will see many lives lost, if we continue to isolate for another 2 week, I'm hoping the chain will break.
Are trains and public transport restricting passengers in the UK particularly London? The photos of crammed carriages a fortnight ago were a death trap.

Yes it's just a feeling I get that the nudge unit is at work setting up public approval for lifting the lockdown as soon as possible.

Yang what did you read /see?

What are you all talking about pls

I’d be annoyed if schools were opened before safe. Not sure I could go back to that level of stress.

And I know we can’t wait until vaccine but at least let’s use more time for schools.

Here's one story I found on it www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783

@EmeraldShamrock I'm not talking about waiting and seeing before going into lockdown, (at which point time was of the essence) but waiting and seeing how effective other countries' attempts at lessening lockdown are. If we are 2 weeks behind say Italy, and they let children back in school, we can surely wait 2-3 weeks, by which time the impact of their decisions on things like new cases and hospital admissions should become evident.

Thanks. I find their not dangerous attitude cavalier and it annoys me - and yes it does chime with the mass events information.

If schools go back before it's safe then I will resign. I have already written my letter.

Prof Neil Ferguson, from Imperial College London, worked on the scientific modelling that the current government advice is based on. He says the Lancet research fails to take into account the impact that school closure can have alongside other lockdown measures.
"When combined with intense social distancing it plays an important role in severing remaining contacts between households and thus ensuring transmission declines," he said.

Other countries schools are not comparable though! UK schools are much much more crowded!

The crammed tube photos are essentially what UK secondary school corridors are like at every single lesson change over

We're still getting so many mixed messages. On the one hand people are being criticised for walking and exercising in the open parks but then Heathrow is open for business with no sign of any distancing whatsoever. This picture was taken yesterday.

Also with regard to the tube transport in London. Use is down by about 80% but there are still v restricted numbers of trains so still crowding issues. All these key workers and medical staff being infected could be because they are being forced into crowded trains. It doesn't make sense.

Exactly, WhyNotMe40. If we got kids to queue like people are queueing outside supermarkets, then by the time they got into lessons, we'd be booting them back out again.

I’d be annoyed if schools were opened before safe. Not sure I could go back to that level of stress.

^This. I caught my probable (untested) COVID-19 from my DD2 (8). My DH has asthma so is vulnerable and, until the antibody test is available, I won't have assurance that DD2 and I have had it.

I know there is a medical body of opinion that schools are low risk, but it's not just about the school day. Home time is always chaotic so I can't see how social distancing could be ensured.

Nellodee I also agree.

These models and the total reliance on them has led us to this point.

Jenny harries and the 'no evidence line' '.
I think they have lost all sense of perspective and their heads are in the clouds.

I won't be sending mine back or expecting Teacher's back while this is active.
Is anyone going to be responsible for the 4 Nurses and carer who most likely died from lack of PPE equipment, next they'll be suggesting people under 50's go back to work for their experiment.

I have total respect for science, and even the models.

But using my own eyes, seeing myself what my own dc do (and they are not finger lickers...) seeing what students do on a daily basis, the models on this can go to hell.

Common sense shows us the melting pots of mixing dc are and all the staff! Not just teachers!

Breaking on Sky News - Michael Gove is self-isolating as a family member is showing symptoms.

If his household is infected for sure, then shouldn't contact tracing start immediately and isolation measures be put in place?

I have this terrible vision of this just burning through the entire government and admin staff etc. Obviously very sorry for the sick and wish them speedy recoveries, however the implications of political instability at such a crucial point are making my blood run cold.

The very bottom line is safeguarding.

I've witnessed torturous risk assements on cake sales. Who will handle the money, how, wearing gloves, fresh gloves, ingredients, where... Etc etc etc.

For a charity school cake sale.

They cannot safe guard and risk assess our dc will be safe.

I am being told that the death rate in the Uk is about the same as it usually is, even with Coronavirus. Can anyone help explain this, if it is true?

One theory is that because normal flu has a lower R0, lockdown measures have successfully chocked off the various "regular" flu viruses that would have been causing hospitalisations and deaths.

It still surprises me how determined some parents are to get their kids back to school in defiance of the risk that would pose to them as adults. Surely kids going back to school means they wouldn’t be able to see their grandparents indefinitely for risk of transmitting the virus if they pick it up at school?