Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

[TheStarryNight]

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Learned?

Either way, do keep posting.
Debate needs to be lively, otherwise it's an echo chamber.

You’re right Red. It is more about individual posters for me. I’ve found a huge amount excellent tbh. On here, on graph one and dotted around. It’s helped me formulate a response in my mind to what’s going on. And you see who is reasonable over time.

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Alex Andreou
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My little island, Mykonos, is now under EVEN STRICTER measures. Curfew 8pm-8am. No exit to exercise or walk a dog. No exemption to help elderly relative. Why? Because SOME ARSEHOLE PRIEST decided to do secret religious services for his “flock” and now we have a cluster of cases.
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See how this works? It only takes one twat to make things worse for everyone.

A cluster of cases, on a small island community, with no hospital (and an evil weather front which means you may not be able to even extract seriously ill patients by helicopter), could be DEVASTATING.

Hi, sorry to ask this here but you guys have the knowledge

If my sister is sectioned, or taken to a psych ward, am I allowed to see her?

If I report suicide threats to local mental health team is that a better option? All help much appreciated.

Just to be clear
She’s in a different borough so I don’t know if I’m allowed to help as I have to use public transport

Not to sound completely dumb but the figures today look like things appear to be improving am I right or is it just wishful thinking. I assume some countries maybe lying about their numbers.

No this has happened for the last few weekends. They level off over the weekend or look like they’re improving. Maybe due to staff shortages or reporting issues who knows but it’s a definite pattern. Normally the media say ‘lockdown is working’ only for the numbers to rise again from about Tuesday.

Did I imagine this, or are the gov going to release figures about ALL covid deaths at some point? As opposed to “just” hospital deaths.

Someone very recently posted a study from ?China showing the true positive rates were 72% for sputum, 62% for nasal and 34% for pharyngeal. Can someone repost it please? I can't find it now

RTB I’m not sure whether I’ve misunderstood your post. I’m flitting between too many threads.

I’ve experienced so much death all my life of close relatives. Starting with a parent when I was 12. I’ve read details of how CV 12 works. But I’m not scared. I’d rather die than have my freedom taken away.

Trust me I’m doing my best to stay in and have now done for 3 weeks. But it’s hard and I’m feeling increasingly angry.

We are all going to get this. There is no avoiding it. We will do better to get it, fit and exercised. Not locked up with no air. That is not life. That does not create good health - ready for combat. Believe me I have seen many of my family die.

So where do I fit into the picture of today’s people you’ve portrayed?

Thread by an Actuary, with UK statistics:
"There’s been a bit of an unpleasant and inaccurate narrative over recent days that the majority of COVID-19 deaths were people who were “at death’s door” in any case. That they died “with” rather than “of” the disease. I want to address that. "
mobile.twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1246866119597621248

TLDR version: he says that it's a "false narrative that these people would have died soon anyway".

Buttermilk thank you for that link. I was questioning that earlier on another thread.

I was told there was no chance of getting any of my service users tested in my care home. PHE told me they weren't testing anyone but critically ill in hospital and NHS staff. Jenny is talking utter shite and it's made me very angry.
I've just worked a long shift. Another 12 hours tomorrow. Because still more of my staff team are off for 14 days with possible Covid or possibly just coughs and colds. We don't know because there is no testing .
I know I'm exhausted and that's about it

So where do I fit into the picture of today’s people you’ve portrayed?

In the 'it's a bit more complicated than that' category.

I think you are right to be concerned about our freedom as it goes. I am not sure there are the right questions being asked about this aspect.

I do think at this point we don't have the luxury of another course of action as we don't have sufficient health care infrastructure to deal with a huge spike in cases.

I do think the current circumstances are an authoritarians wet dream and ideal for breeding dictators. Hungary being a good example.

We should be vigilant. We should keep asking questions. We should keep reassessing the situation.

It's a difficult one and tbh I think anyone who isn't concerned about how this could be exploited hasn't been paying attention for the past four years. It's part of a pattern rather than covid-19 being a cause of it.

@MurrayTheMonk I hope you're ok. It is obvious they are lying in the briefings, and I share your anger about that.

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18359376.care-home-boss-hospitals-refusing-admit-residents-coronavirus/?ref=twtrec
Care home boss: hospitals refusing to admit residents with coronavirus

Rachel Beckett, chair of Wellburn,which has 14 homes across the north-east including several in the York area, claims hospitals are refusing to admit any residents who test positive for the virus and the firm has received calls from local doctors instructing it to be prepared for 'multiple end of life situations.'

She said: "We know we’re going to lose people. Hospitals are now turning their backs on us, sending residents who have been admitted with symptoms back to our homes."

She said that with PPE being directed towards the NHS, care homes had also found it impossible to maintain supplies, leaving key essential staff running the gauntlet.

"Some staff have even walked out and refused to work, others who have shown symptoms are self isolating at home - the majority though, have stayed on," she said. "This perfect storm has created a huge gap in staffing levels."

Yep. At least one of my staff who is SI is doing it I think because she is scared, not because she is symptomatic. I can't prove it and at this point I wouldn't blame her anyway so nor would I want to.
The PPE is rubbish and will soon run out. The pressure of trying to keep the service going with too few staff is immense. The whole thing is awful. Just awful.
One of my colleagues-another manager is. Is in his third week off. He's told me it's because mentally he knows he won't be able to bare it and I can absolutely sympathise with that.

Thanks @RedToothBrush
I know for sure in my region it is near impossible to get care home resident admitted to hospital at present. Even non-respiratory illnesses are being managed conservatively with a DNAR being relied on to justify a move to palliative care if that fails.

I was so angry when Jenny Harries claimed they have been testing care home residents and staff for COVID all along. Just a flat-out lie

Checking in from New York.

The hospital ship, sent to care for non-Covid patients and relieve the hospitals, has been contaminated. I cannot think how anyone thought this could be avoided - people can be fine at the time of admission, and become symptomatic hours later?

So how could this have possibly worked?

From what I have read the opinion of many healthcare professionals here is that it is not going to be possible to keep any hospital or urgent care a safe zone free of coronavirus.

Which basically means if you are sick with anything else and go to hospital you greatly increase the likelihood of getting it.

I am so relieved and happy that London does not seem to be in this same shit situation, even with the similar population density and also being a hub of global travel. Thing seem more controlled there, thank goodness.

@LilacTree1 I'm sorry you're sister's feeling so bad. I don't know if mental health wards are allowing visits but please get her the help she needs and worry about that after. Make sure she's safe first. She might not be sectioned if they can help her at home.

It's awful about the care homes. A slippery slope. Who next won't be treated? @MurrayTheMonk I'm sorry things haven't improved for you. I wish I could do something to help.

So BoJo admitted to hospital. I do hope he gets through this, but karma can be a bitch sometimes! Him with his guff of shaking everyone's hand etc....

The care home situation sounds absolutely shit.
Murray - do you think if you want to the press and started a social media campaign it might help? Especially as they are actually finally managing to test more....?

Eeyore really?! Where did you hear that?

BBC just alerted about Boris.

whynot Sky breaking news alert.