Is anyone else angry and embarrassed right now ?

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For the developed and resourced country that we are, we are potentially going to be overtaking Italy and Spain by the looks of things.
Australia and other nations have death rates in double figures. They were smart to close borders and even close regions. Canada the same. Denmark, etc. The list goes on. South Korea have the situation under control.
We were warned about this. I feel like majority of those deaths could have been avoided.

I’m angry and deeply disappointed that so many people on here seem to think they are overly knowledgeable and experienced to know how they would’ve done brings better in an unprecedented event. Yes, big events earlier this year were naive and I personally don’t approve as we knew this was coming back in January. The point of quarantining people coming off flights?? They can pick it up in Tesco, why waste resources ‘holding’ it at the border? The containment phase passed. We’re all getting this eventually, the point of lockdown is to stagger it so we get it slowly not stop it completely. I find it hard to believe no one gets that and thinks they can rule the world better based on ‘feelings’. It’s crappy but it is what it is and I for one think we’ve handled it as well as we could. Let’s face it, people aren’t 100% honouring the lockdown now - do people really think every singe adult would’ve obeyed stricter enforcements sooner? No. Of course not. It’s a fine line and it’s being balanced with no previous history to look back at

Austerity is killing us !

Austerity was a political choice. In a recession mortality actually goes down.

I understand that people are scared of the situation - but the government and medical advisers are only people too, who have family and loved ones at risk - I know I wouldn't want their job for the world - who would its a totally thankless task - whatever they do will be wrong.
Disussions like this just frighten people and aren't based on any true facts at all. The truth is we have to sit it out and wait. A couple of months ago everyone pretty much said it was just bad flu - I read lots of posts on here saying what a fuss was being made.
Best we can do is stay at home, stop complaining and support all those people who are risking their lives on a daily basis to keep us safe.

I don’t think I would have done better. I am disappointed that our existing pandemic plan wasn’t followed and that WHO advice was ignored. And because of that time was lost. There’s a difference. I don’t think I’m an expert in disappointed we didn’t listen to all the other experts and countries soon enough. There’s a difference.

I’m disappointed anyone defends the herd immunity plan

we knew this was coming back in January

Did we.

WHO were saying it hadn’t left China as late as 23rd January.

@Oliversmumsarmy I think we were meant to ignore that bit & the bit about not implementing travel
restrictions/closing borders! 😆

I agree op, very embarrassed and angry that some deaths could have been avoided. The government knew this was coming in January and chose not to act keeping every border open for every man and his wife to enter, if people had been stopped from entering the country we could have avoided this from the get go. Lockdown came too late as well and isn't being properly policed hence twats flocking to the beaches, parks and pubs the evening of immenent warning!!! Thats why this has spread like wildfire aswell. A warning shouldn't have been given, everything should have been shut down first. A tougher lock down is now needed to save humanity, it may not be nice but it will save your life. Youngsters with no health conditions are now dying it's time for the government to act, the hospitals need more PPE equipment now not tomorrow and the testing, there's not enough testing being down and I'm sick of the excuses when they've had months to prepare.

Im frightened for me and my children, every day i worry more and more about us catching it even from our shopping packages.

Why were/are there no border/ airport checks? I was thermal imaged going through Dubai on 1 February... just glad I wasn’t having a hot flush to be honest! Lol!

I’m more disappointed that society seems full of twats who can’t follow simple advice. How many deaths have or will be caused by idiots that descended on beauty spots on Mothering Sunday, who let their kids meet up with mates in the park, who run past you with inches to spare because nothing is getting in the way of their exercise plan. People who have reached adulthood but can’t wash their fucking hands. People trying to find loopholes do they can carry on their little lives with as little inconvenience as possible. These are the people who should hang their heads.

The main fault of the government is thinking people aren’t imbeciles who need handholding through every aspect of their lives to stop them making stupid choices.

Oh with the benefit of hindsight...
I’m not embarrassed or particularly angry but if
All flights, boats and ferry, tunnel travellers coming in were forced into quarantine from the moment the alarm went up, we could have got a better handle on the virus and got emergency services prepped to cope.
While people are still disobeying and going out we will all remain at risk. Only wants one person out there coughing and they will be infecting thousands

‘I’m disappointed anyone defends the herd immunity plan’

It’s not a plan it’s an inevitable outcome for many Western countries.

Unless you take extreme measures such as China, implement post-SARS infrastructure like Taiwan, accept high government intervention such as SK. Ok let’s see what happens with Ireland and NZ but a country can’t lock down until vaccine. Sweden might not work either, worth watching.

The government knew this was coming in January and chose not to act keeping every border open for every man and his wife to enter, if people had been stopped from entering the country we could have avoided this from the get go.

But the WHO didn't advise this in January?

There is no guarantee of a vaccine. Ever.

It’s an inevitable outcome with a vaccine. I agree with you there

It’s not a plan you try before suppression

FWIW we started to “social distance” in mid February.

Dp who is one of the vulnerable is on his 3rd week of not going out. He didn’t wait for a letter. He knows he wouldn’t survive this illness.

We were shopping at quiet times and keeping our interactions with other people to a minimum

Dd was working away at the beginning of March and because of the nature of the work was only in contact with a small number of people.

She kept away from Dp when she got back for 7 days.

I would say it wasn’t till somewhere about mid to week 3 of February that it was possible to even consider that this might affect those outside of China in numbers.

I don’t think anyone was thinking it could be as huge as it was.

Let’s face it if China only had a few thousand deaths considering its population then why would we expect any different

True that there’s no guarantee of a vaccine but we have to at least try to find one first or even an anti viral med like the tamiflu that helped ease swine flu for many

I remain hopeful there’ll be a breakthrough. I’m no expert so I don’t know if there will be but it makes me feel sane to be hopeful

Excited which country do you think did well - and do you think it would have worked in the U.K.?

We have to be hopeful of a vaccine because if not then whats the point we will just all die when we eventually go back to normal. 50% of those in hospital will die, scary. That's half so basically statistics of flipping a coin

I know there’s no guarantee but I don’t have strong reason to doubt a vaccine

In the absence of a vaccine (for now) we could call for wider use of the drugs that have so far had some success. There may not yet be conclusive proof they 100% work but there's little to lose when the alternative is death. The UK late stage trials are only being done on patients with no underlying conditions. That excludes a large proportion of the population, possibly the majority when you include being overweight and a smoking history as risk factors. Currently there's limited stock worldwide so we need to get on with ordering more now if we want to ensure there's enough for all who might benefit.

We have to be hopeful of a vaccine because if not then whats the point we will just all die when we eventually go back to normal. 50% of those in hospital will die, scary. That's half so basically statistics of flipping a coin

No! In under 40 year olds 99.8% of people will survive, 40-50 year olds 99.6% will survive, even in over 80 year olds 85% survive. The vast majority go nowhere near hospital.

^^ that is of people who get Covid. Many people won’t.

50% of ICU cases - which is around I think 6% of cases overall

Is that 6% of 60% of 66m?

I’ve had wine might be off!