Is anyone else angry and embarrassed right now ?

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For the developed and resourced country that we are, we are potentially going to be overtaking Italy and Spain by the looks of things.
Australia and other nations have death rates in double figures. They were smart to close borders and even close regions. Canada the same. Denmark, etc. The list goes on. South Korea have the situation under control.
We were warned about this. I feel like majority of those deaths could have been avoided.

Depends where you live. My elderly neighbour has only just strted to shield herself she's been chatting to the gardener and driving to the shops buying stuff for other elderlies. But we have very very few cases here.

'the moment the health service seems to be coping. We should be extremely proud of our NHS and our frontline workers.'

Yes, but also and this will be controversial, the managers and planners who have mobilised staff and equipment, reconfigerated clinical areas to take on and manage the extra load. I have friends in the NHS and there's a feeling of still waiting to be swamped but actually as capacity has been doubled they haven't been. I'll add a 'yet' because of course no one knows for sure but they are getting the patients in just at this point there has not been any excess pressure.

Allthefucks, oh I thought they weren't wet markets? Have you changed tune now wehtam has put her foot in it?

One death in our local hospital and loads of spare capacity so far. Fingers crossed it stays thst way or at least manageable.

Certainly no Italy style footage as yet which were supposed to have last week according to many on here.

Those that have shielded very early were both going against government advice and less likely to be working.
The people dying of it now caught it 3-4 weeks ago.

My PIL does work actually. They've been shielded for just over three weeks and are fairly happy and definitely healthy. A bit pickled in gin I'd say but apart from that fine.

@alloutoffucks when do you think shielded people should have be told to shield?

I said clearly they were wet markets but that many of you had no idea what that term actually meant.
I do wonder why you think it is okay though to insult and mock a woman in the shielded group who is terrified that she is going to leave her kids without a mother?
All along some of you have mocked me. For taking this whole thing seriously, for taking my kids out of school early, for not thinking the governments idea of letting half a million people die is a good one, and for actually reading what WHO and others are saying and realising there are other ways to deal with this.

@Tonyaster So their employer let them work from home then before they knew they were in the shielded group? 3 weeks ago all the talk was about the vulnerable group, which includes a lot of people.

@alloutoffucks we are all taking this seriously. If not we wouldn’t care enough to be on here debating solutions.

'do wonder why you think it is okay though to insult and mock a woman in the shielded group who is terrified that she is going to leave her kids without a mother?'

You have no idea which of us are also shielded.

Please just be careful with your scaremongering 'shielded people are dispensable!!' and derogatory comments 'educate yourself' when I suggested we need assurances wet markets/bat markets have closed down.

People will tragically die until there is a vaccine, but the plan is working in that the NHS is still functioning well. I wish you the best honestly.

I do wonder why you think it is okay though to insult and mock a woman in the shielded group who is terrified that she is going to leave her kids without a mother?

You've accused plenty on this thread of lies. Plenty of us have shielded people or vulnerable people amongst our family & friends & are scared. Not agreeing with you doesn't mean we don't care about them & want them to die.

I haven’t rtft but no I don’t feel that way (embarrassed nor angry). Once you have community transfer as the West do its a hard road early lock down or not. And so far only China and post SARS had political will or right infrastructure.

I did feel stressed when schools were still open at the end of that week because of a previous hospital experience.

I don’t think the personal attacks on alloutoffucks are necessary.

I have sympathy for people who felt more at risk before the situation changed to shield them more (wfh / schools etc)

I think people like @alloutoffucks are scared and it’s easier to process anger and blame then accepting this is just a really really horrible thing to be happening and we have no one to blame.

I don’t mean that to come across patronising but Italy, Spain, France and the US are also suffering - it’s not like the UK are a stand alone case. We cannot blame the government. Given that people can have no symptoms and still spread it there was no way to contain it other than locking everyone in with no going out at all for 2 years.

No one is mocking anyone. It’s shit for everyone and we will all be affected in one way or another. If anything, people are referring to your attitude - only willing to accept a worst case scenario outcome and blaming the government for that. Look around the world - no country is unscathed.

West Midlands are just behind London now,from what we understand the NEC will not have ventilators like the nightingale so our hospitals will get very busy.
So far we have plenty of capacity but the tide is slowly rolling in.
We can't realistically relax the restrictions until we have reliable antibody testing and that's not available anytime soon.
At the moment,with other contries we've painted ourselves into a corner.
It doesn't matter who's fault it was,we can look at that later .

Agreed shanghai it’s disgusting the way some of these vultures turn on people. I had it yesterday now it’s allout turn. Shameful. Definitely some on the payroll in here. 🤮

DH & my siblings all fit & healthy were working from home at least 3 weeks ago.

don’t think the personal attacks on alloutoffucks are necessary.

But it's ok for her to call us liars & ignorant & for @Wehttam to accuse some of us of having some kind of agenda?

oldbefore indeed look at other countries, when they were ALL saying how concerned they were with the way OUR government had handled this issue. Cast your mind back just before lockdown when BoJo and his band of merry men were saying no way schools would close, we wanted herd immunity, meanwhile everyone else had shuttered their economies and closed schools shaking their heads at what the F we were doing or rather weren’t doing.

Oh & now we are vultures. The irony 🤦🏼‍♀️

mocha not an agenda, a salaried role. 😉

People are scared and upset. Name calling and personal attacks don’t help anyone.

@Wehttam people aren’t turning on people or being vultures or ‘on the payroll’

Could you possibly fathom that a majority of people just fundamentally disagree with your views?