For those who are ordering unneccesary items

[Gingerkittykat]

There has been a [[https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-amazon-depot-hit-coronavirus-21792591?fbclid=IwAR03giRYScdXJOAh7HgFQuuLGIsdQ2zoh1fEQmVgu9fduZ28ywN8Hs9BClc confirmed case] of COVID 19 in the Amazon warehouse where my sister works. The guy works the nightshift, as does my sister.

Please think before you order.

I think all this guilting people into what they should or shouldn’t be buying this or that is really unhealthy. Who are you to judge what is essential and what is not essential? On top of all the stress we have we have people like you guilting the rest of us who are struggling with day to day life.

I am ordering things from a number of companies to keep them and the economy going. One of them is Laura Ashley who are currently in administration. If people stop buying from them surely there is even less chance of finding a buyer for the business and their employees jobs being saved.

Another who disagrees.
I've order some nail supplies. I'm a qualified nail tech and I'll be doing mine and my partners nails. My partners are growing out and are painful and I ran out of stuff for this infill before the lockdown.

I've been out for skin products too but i waited until i needed essentials from that shop and didnt just go out for the skin products. My face and lips were cracked and bleeding aswell as being bruised cause some drug addict attacked me and it's not gone down yet.

Online shopping done right could save the economy. I agree that the workers conditions are abysmal but that's a separate issue to whether you consider it necessary or not.

I think the virtue signalling on the thread is very unedifying indeed. Pinky, your husband chooses to work to put food on the table. Many of us do that. Many of us have to put ourselves at risk every day to service others, not just for this virus but we did so before and will do so again after it's all over.

Using your children as leverage in the debate is unworthy and just utterly and pointlessly crass. I won't ask how you dare, because you obviously feel very entitled to do it... circular argument right there.

How about we all just stop doing that and leave other people to shop as they are permitted to do?

You can’t judge people just judge YOURSELF and don’t buy any “non-essentials” you don’t 100% need.

I agree.

Thegreatwave - how do you think the economy will keep going if people only buy food?

If the online places shut down then people wouldn't stop wanting/needing their unnecessary items. All that would happen would be a) more people in the remaining open shops and b) lots of borrowing and second hand buying with people flouting lockdown to go and get items from those who have them.

I'd be very surprise if they have not done the modelling on this and concluded that, at a population level, letting online shopping continue is the safer option.

I'm not sure I said that, I have in fact never said that
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What I was agreeing with (as I presumed the poster meant) was that I can only be responsible for what I order. I personally think hair dye and nail stuff is not essential, but it is not for me to decided that, just as they can decide my DVD isn't.

What I can do is look at myself though. So I need a new parasol base, I have one but it currently has a piece of newspaper stuck in it to try and keep it upright. A new one right now isn't essential though so I will continue to manage with the one I have. So that is me deciding for myself what is and isn't essential.

Thegreatwave - if you order your parasol base it will be giving a company some revenue in difficult times and helping someone keep their job. It will also help whichever shop you buy it from to stay in business. How do you think any retailer will survive if people stop making purchases?

To the pp I was harsh to I assumed it was taking the p sarcasm but maybe not, apologies if not.

My oh is a delivery driver, he’s out all day, has no access to soap and water, no PPE, no gloves, no sanitizer and is delivering dozens upon dozens of items.

I don’t want to increase my risk of dying because you want some pretty things

You have my sympathy but I fear you are up against a brick wall here

I always thought mumsnet was fairly left wing but we see the true colours of consumerism showing now.

They really NEED those Jo Malone candles, special doggie biscuit treats, new household knickknacks in the latest fashions, soft furnishings, makeup and all that crap. They must have it right now and its fck the poor delivery drivers in the process. Fck the retail workers whose hands these trinkets must pass through.

It's a crisis but its buy buy buy because their NEED for smelly candles and perfume matter more than the proletariat and capitalism must be unfettered to be saved. You couldn't make it up

Unecessary = going out to the shops for something to do

Online shopping = saving a lot of jobs, small businesses and keeping the economy ticking over

Online shopping = saving a lot of jobs, small businesses and keeping the economy ticking over

Or is this just being used as an excuse for some who are bored to consume even more nonessential items

Small businesses have been given certain leeways, their owners have been given financial support. It's sad that some business may never recover but a small business owner is no more special than anyone else who might lose their job permanently.

When this is over, and God willing it will be over sooner rather than later, I'm sure there will be more help for small business to recover or start up again and the customers will return

The government have told us only shop for essentials. We have retail workers and delivery drivers saying they are frightened of catching the virus and taking it back home to their family and wider community.

The less we shop. The less risk. The less delivery dreivers have to deliver. The less risk. The less we handle, money, items, packages etc. The less the risk

Seeing as online shopping is being promoted on every strand of social media AND in.a couple of the daily press releases I'll just agree to disagree with you.

It probably comes down to interpretation

Essential shopping - going outside to shop

Shopping for essentials - only buying what you need to survive

But I am supporting all sorts of small and local businesses get through this. Shopping with them, online or other

Suniscomingout

We could all try to order from smaller businesses and avoid Amazon.
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And you will be told off by others anyway, because you make dpd, yodel or royal mail people work for your “no -essential shopping”.

I think they see the faces of the shop workers. They know someone who works in them. They have to look at them.

The faceless driver? The unknown packer? Nobody gives too hoots because they’re bored staying home keeping their family safe.

And I am a sole trader with no chance of continuing to work, no money for months and, probably, a very slow re start, as and when.

I'd I could do something to keep ticking over I would!

Seeing as online shopping is being promoted on every strand of social media AND in.a couple of the daily press releases I'll just agree to disagree with you.

Yes this is how advertising works. Promoted by someone sat in an office at a desk, now probably a desk at home. Even many very small business owners are not behind the retail counter or working in a warehouse, delivering etc

Yet time after time we see retail workers and delivery drivers, the ones on the sell sell sell frontline, saying the same thing. They are scared of catching the virus and they believe nonessential shopping is making the risk higher for them and anyone they come into contact with.

OP?

Eee...? eee...? [echoes]

Oh just to add don't reuse cloths during the day so he will need several. Then in the washing machine when he gets home.

A lot of lives would also be lost if our economy collapses. There is a balance to be had. If you have evidence that any employer is not supporting their staff who have to work with social distancing hand washing etc please contact your/their MP. There was also a number up report employers somewhere so try to o google that. The answer is not to put any more people out of work.

I will continue to order what I want until the option is removed. You're preaching to the wrong choir.

I agree minimum97

But what I find disheartening is that some people seem to be using it as an excuse to buy even more nonessential items than they usually would. There is a whole topic elsewhere dedicated to what nonessential items mumsnetters are ordering online, almost a completion to see who is the most fashionable or who has the most money to spend, but having just finished working begind a counter in retail myself, it sticks in the craw to see a total disregard for those delivering.

Yes we get that it's boring sat at home, staring at the same old cushion covers, plates, clothes, perfume and makeup bottles, wallpaper, herb jars, rug, TV, vase, lampshade, bottle of expensive gin etc but please if they could just think of the servants once in while

I had an email this morning from Etsy, urging me to keep supporting them through online shopping. I'm not a big shopper, and have only bought from them once before, but it did make me think that we do need to carry on supporting small businesses.

So, wait for it, stealth boast coming... I've ordered MacBeth on DVD from the Globe theatre (via Amazon) for the teenagers to watch. They'll be overjoyed .