For those who are ordering unneccesary items

[Gingerkittykat]

There has been a [[https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-amazon-depot-hit-coronavirus-21792591?fbclid=IwAR03giRYScdXJOAh7HgFQuuLGIsdQ2zoh1fEQmVgu9fduZ28ywN8Hs9BClc confirmed case] of COVID 19 in the Amazon warehouse where my sister works. The guy works the nightshift, as does my sister.

Please think before you order.

@1300cakes, yes an easy choice, continue to work in order to feed our children and keep a roof over their head or quit with a massive recession on the horizon with huge job scarcity.

Also delivering say, medical supplies, food, nappies etc to 50 customers a day, in comparison to delivering sex toys, booze, colouring books, wool to 100++ per day is NOT the same risk.

I've ordered from Amazon. I am 37 weeks pregnant and hadnt got final bits because I envisioned going to the shops myself as I started maternity leave.

My final baby bits to me ARE essential as some of my stuff are with grandparents and we cant get them due to us isolating - so ordering online is my only option.

*My oh is a delivery driver, he’s out all day, has no access to soap and water, no PPE, no gloves, no sanitizer and is delivering dozens upon dozens of items.

Even with social distancing he is at high risk of catching the virus due to the multiple points of handling a package goes through*

Pretty much like every retail worker for the last few months, then? No hand sanitizer, can't wash hands because the shops are busy 24/7, handling dirty money, touching dirty hands, touching packaging, and finding it impossible to stay 2m away from everyone, the list goes on...

Plenty of people have partners who are also vulnerable, too. I speak from experience. You just have to take precautions. Washing as soon as you're in, we quarantine uniforms, etc.

However, the reality is, you don't get to use your kids as a guilt trip for people ordering items. Plenty of people have kids. Plenty of people are also vulnerable. Plenty of people also have partners working in high risk jobs at the minute.

Your family going a weekly shop puts my family at risk. But who am I to say that you buying bread is not an essential item? We can all twist it to suit us and not others.

It's a shit situation but one many of us are in. And unless you're going to stop food shopping to protect my family, and refuse medical treatment to protect someone else's, you haven't got a leg to stand on. Sorry.

@HoffiCoffi13 he would be furloughed on 80% pay with a secure job to return to.

PinkyU even if people were still ordering genuine essentials?

I’m sorry your partner isn’t being looked after properly by his company.

Thing is, even nhs staff working where there are diagnosed covid patients can't wear masks as a matter of course - only when dealing with a diagnosed/strongly suspected patient. Any other patient (who could just as easily have it) - no mask. And gloves are pointless if you wear them the whole day. So I'm not sure what ppe would be useful for a delivery driver.

Well myself and my lo’s haven’t left the house, at all, in 3 weeks.

We’ve not shopped at all, we’ve had 1 delivery 2 weeks ago and have another one next week. My prescriptions are delivered.

Oh leaves to work, returns and then doesn’t leave till the next morning for work.

So, given that I’m doing that for the benefit of my family as well as yours, are you going to stop ordering shite off the internet?

(Didn’t think so)

yes an easy choice no it's not an easy choice, it isn't for me either or for any front line worker. I also have kids and bills to pay. Unfortunately it's in situation we are in.

I'm not saying "oh just quit then" flippantly btw. It's the same situation I'm in and believe me I've really considered it. It is a really hard decision.

So, Pinky, you've had, or are going to have, 3 deliveries? You put people at risk, then. Get off your high horse.

I haven't ordered anything unnecessary thus far, but thanks to our chat I think I might as well order those unnecessary items, today

Pepe you really read Pinky’s post re her concerns and think that?

Sorry @1300cakes I’m being aresy, I know it’s shite for everybody who is still expected to get on with things regardless of their situation.

I think it’s just the mentality of some who don’t see the potential harm caused by their desire for a hobby/frivolous item. It’s avoidable risk.

The point being unnecessary and non essential items @PepePig so not food and medicine, but things like I’ve already mentioned.

Given that my oh is at higher risk of catching the virus, so am I. I’m not planning on taking that risk out to others and being responsible for potentially infected others.

It's just pointless telling people to only order essentials. For a start, almost everything we order is non essential as they don't trade in basic foods or life saving medications. If amazon was banned from trading tomorrow, people would be very inconvenienced (eg having no nappies, no loo roll) but we would not fall over dead.

I also don't see that amazon et al are any more immoral than usual - surely their behaviour was already the maximum immoral.

The only way to stop them is try lobbying the government to change the law on what types of businesses can trade/what type of trade they can do.

I've ordered from Amazon too. My wee boy is 3 next week. He already won't see any friends or family, prob wont get to start preschool nursery in August and I'm not having go without presents either. If people didn't order from amazon, they would still order online, just a different company. My daughter is also 1 a few weeks after my son turns 3, so unfortunately, online shopping is just something we need to do. I am a keyworker as is my wife. So I appreciate the risk people are at when they go to work.

@MarshaBradyo

I did. No one's family is more important than someone else's. I am actually in an incredibly similar situation to her, but once you start dictating to people what is essential and what isn't, you've lost the battle.

We need to focus our attention on ensuring these services are made as safe as possible for the staff, as soon as possible. Not shouting at Carol because she bought a jar of nutella.

No need to say sorry "pinky* this is a super stressful situation for everyone. It's just a problem inherent in the job (many jobs) unfortunately. It's even hard to imagine how the government could intervene as who would define "essential" and who would check.

Pepe It sounded as if the chat prompted you to want to order even though you had no intention of doing so earlier. Harsh!

I do feel for Pinky and others in same situation it must be stressful.

Low paid jobs have always carried the greatest risk.

Like other PP, no one was worried about warehouse staff or delivery drivers before this. In fact there used to be regular moany threads about how awful delivery drivers were, chucking things over fences and the like.

People need to take some responsibility for themselves if their employers aren’t doing enough. Their risks are not dependant on what’s being ordered but their environment.

In a couple of weeks, amazon will be our next national hero when they start delivering home testing kits.

There are extra risks right now though.

I was completely unaware of that.

Good on you.

Who are you judge what is non essential? So me ordering stationary and books might be deemed unnecessary but then how does my child complete school work? I appreciate you’re worried about family but seriously there’s not one rule that everyone can abide by - e.g. you might consider skin lotion a luxury but what about my baby thst has excema? You can’t judge people just judge YOURSELF and don’t buy any “non-essentials” you don’t 100% need.