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Is anybody worried now

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Relaxing2 · 31/03/2020 19:32

Are people getting worried now that even young healthy people are dying from this?

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MarginalGain · 01/04/2020 06:23

Sorry, but I keep seeing this statistic, but it is absolute bollocks. A majority are likely to catch this at some point. The WHO say the death rate is 3-4%. It's not others catastrophising, it is people like you minimising.

Do you understand that even the own government's advisor, Nial Ferguson (I'd bet the ranch that you're a big fan of the Imperial model?) says that some 2 million British people are infected with Corona and we have some 2,000 deaths?

Please stop peddling this nonsense.

esjee · 01/04/2020 06:39

I don't trust any model saying anything until they confirm it with tests. I really doubt millions have it, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. With tests!

Inkpaperstars · 01/04/2020 06:48

The entire situation is beyond bizarre and being disproportionately catastrophised.

Oh gosh, if only you could have got that message out to govts across the globe! They've all locked down for nothing after all! Makes you wonder you they get their advice from...scientists, experts? If only they'd come here instead.

TestBank · 01/04/2020 06:53

Apparently up to 25% of people have no symptoms at all. There's another stat to cling to.
The stats for child deaths are miniscule. If you looked at stats for child deaths in car accidents and were that horrified, you' never use a car again.

BillywilliamV · 01/04/2020 06:56

One 13yo, one 19yo. Tragic deaths, but these are statistical outliers, that is why they make specific news stories!

MarginalGain · 01/04/2020 07:08

The stats for child deaths are miniscule. If you looked at stats for child deaths in car accidents and were that horrified, you' never use a car again.

Yes.

AliciaJohnson · 01/04/2020 08:44

I spray with disinfectant spray. They don't have to be soaking, does make the paper a little crinkly sometimes. Lay them out on a freshly laundered towel or kitchen paper to dry. All the envelopes are immediately thrown away, it's only the 'innards' that I spray. Then I wash hands and hand sanitise. I learned to do that on here! Prior to that I didn't bother or even think of it. However the virus doesn't live on cardboard or paper for more than an hour so they could just be left somewhere if there is no urgency to open

Are you actually serious, @Lynda07 ?

If so, the world has gone quite seriously mad.

Laniakea · 01/04/2020 09:02

I’ve never been particularly worried about catching it & am feeling no more worried as we get more/better epidemiological data. I’m not worried about my children getting it.

I am worried about my parents - particularly my dad - we & they have been taking precautions to reduce their risk since February (e.g cancelled a party on the 28th, quarantined MIL who came back from a cruise at the same time).

I can’t sleep with worry about the financial implications of it. Dh will be made redundant this week, dd1 is likely to be furloughed today. Both my siblings & BIL have also lost their jobs.

I’m worried about university restarting (or not) in September. I’m worried about the health impacts of the NHS grinding to a stop for everything except covid. I’m worried about the effect of this isolation & poverty on women & children. And how messed up and neurotic & hateful everyone has become. I’m worried that ppl seem to think ‘lockdown’ will make the virus go away.

But no catching ‘it’ isn’t on my list of worries!

BeijingBikini · 01/04/2020 09:13

Look at the stats from the Diamond Princess - all got it, all old - over half had no symptoms. Newspapers are sensationalising by printing "young person dies with no underlying conditions!!!!" when it was the 1 case a day. If newspapers sensationalised every single RTC like that, printing it as a top story with pictures of a mangled car, you'd never want to drive again. But life is for living, not cowering from.

BeijingBikini · 01/04/2020 09:14

And I haven't disinfected a single thing, that's only going to help feed the next pandemic which will be antibiotic resistance - and a hell of a lot worse too

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 01/04/2020 09:34

Yes, I thought about it when I see the gallons of anti bat stuff used everywhere.

The thing is, you can't wash your hands on the go, and you can't wash your phone, but yes, AB resistance is real and about to get worse.

MarginalGain · 01/04/2020 10:00

And I haven't disinfected a single thing, that's only going to help feed the next pandemic which will be antibiotic resistance - and a hell of a lot worse too

Eek.

cantata · 01/04/2020 10:43

And I haven't disinfected a single thing, that's only going to help feed the next pandemic which will be antibiotic resistance - and a hell of a lot worse too

Yes, I have thought this too, Beijing.

I share all of your worries, Laniakea.

I'm not in the slightest bit worried about catching Covid, though.

Siameasy · 01/04/2020 13:24

Agree about antibiotic resistance and general fear of dirt being a problem. They do say that exposure to soil is good for the immune system. There is also an irrational fear of sunlight, particularly on here.

ACertainSupermarket · 01/04/2020 20:43

In normal circumstances, I heartily disapprove of over-zealous use of bleach, antibac wipes etc.
But avoiding a virulent virus is slightly different from the normal, healthy exposure to a range of natural bacteria that is believed to help our immune system develop.
I now have a spray bottle of diluted zoflora for door handles and shopping!
(Still disapprove of wipes, though...kitchen roll or washable cloths.)

GAT333 · 01/04/2020 21:05

No

MarginalGain · 01/04/2020 21:10

The death of a 13-year-old in Britain from coronavirus has understandably led to fears that the virus may not be so harmless for children as first thought.

Up to now, youngsters have seemed largely immune from Covid-19, with most cases involving people over 60, or those with underlying health conditions.

Yet teenager Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab, from Brixton, south London, who died earlier this week, appears to have had no apparent health issues.

So should parents be more worried?

The latest number-crunching seems to suggest not. For the first time, scientists at Imperial College London have modelled the death rates for the virus by factoring in less serious cases that will never trouble the NHS. And it makes for illuminating reading.

Looking at more than 70,000 cases in China, they discovered that, although the overall death rate for those testing positive was 1.3 per cent, or about one in 77 cases, once mild cases were included, the fatality rate fell dramatically to 0.66 per cent, or one in 152 cases.

The same reduced risk holds true for all age ranges, and it means that the chance of dying for children contracting coronavirus is miniscule, approximately 0.0069 per cent for 10 to 29 year olds - or one in 14,492.

For under-10s, there is even less risk, around 0.0016 per cent, or one in 62,500 (scroll down for chart featuring a full breakdown of risk by age range).

Prof Azra Ghani of Imperial College said: "There might be outlying cases that get a lot of media attention.

"But our analysis very clearly shows that at aged 50 and over, hospitalisation is much more likely than in those under 50, and a greater proportion of cases are likely to be fatal.”"

For people in their 20s, the death rate is still low - about one in 1,666, and even for the most at-risk group, new calculations suggest it is around one in 12, rather than one in seven.

The new research shows that, for those in their 30s, the risk of death is around one in 1,190. For people in their 40s it's approximately one in 625, and for those in their 50s, it's one in 169. For people in their 60s, it rises to nearly one in 50. Over 70s have roughly a one in 23 risk of death.

Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial said the British figures appeared to mirror China and were likely to be similar.

"As the UK epidemic unfolds, more data are becoming available, and at the moment the proportion of people in each age group most likely to require hospitalisation, and most likely to die from infection, are consistent with the estimates in this study," he said.

It has been reported that Ismail suffered a cardiac arrest, and the case has been referred to the coroner. Experts said it may turn out that the youngster had an unknown underlying condition that made him more vulnerable.

In recent years, several young and seemingly healthy sports stars have been found to have genetic conditions that put their hearts at risk.

New research has shown that coronavirus causes a surge in inflammation, which can cause cardiac problems, and the authors warned that those with heart issues were at great risk.

TrainspottingWelsh · 01/04/2020 21:36

Allthese how social services are functioning is something that really does worry me. Not because I think there will be a sudden rapid growth of orphans, but for all those dc ss were already struggling to really help before lockdown. Not meant as an insult to social workers themselves, but the limited resources and entire system.

MarginalGain · 01/04/2020 21:40

Allthese how social services are functioning is something that really does worry me. Not because I think there will be a sudden rapid growth of orphans, but for all those dc ss were already struggling to really help before lockdown. Not meant as an insult to social workers themselves, but the limited resources and entire system.

I worry about my at-risk children that I used to read with every week - I read with them because their teachers have worked out that no one else does. I haven't seen them in weeks.

AllTheseThingsThatIHaveNotDone · 01/04/2020 22:19

I know social workers were still trying to follow-up on individuals including families claiming they were self-isolating. I just wondered what would happen if a lone mum is taken ill, has vulnerable parents the other side of the country, has no other immediate relatives/neighbours/friends to take in two children - whose parent might be corona + therefore risk of contagion - what happens to those two children??

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