Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35

[TheStarryNight]

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I was starting to social distance at the start of March. There was much more hand washing going on as well. Some people definitely were distancing more. Others not so much - I remember being amazed that people didn’t.

Something that has been bugging me and I have seen no mention of it, is the side effect of eye damage from Hydroxychloroquine. Has anything been said about this? I would not wish to receive it if so, I would rather be dead than blind.

Interesting about hand washing Redtoothbrush.

The BBC contagion mock up found hand washing cut deaths by something like 20%

Yes, the Italians have been explicit that their statistics are skewed by ventilator triage.

It’s been very interesting following the reports of NYC ED personnel over on www.reddit.com/r/medicine/

It’s clear that many of the patients in ICU are under 50, and that’s shocked them. These patients are prioritised for ventilation because they have a better chance of survival and will in general tolerate ventilation much better.

The people we are seeing dying now have probably had this for about 3-4 weeks, based on what seems like the usual progression of cases. At the start of March, social distancing still wasn't really a thing, we were still very much debating what to do about this- most people were behaving as normal. Many people had just recently come back from ski holidays in Italy and were carrying on as normal if they had no symptoms. At the start of March, people were still debating going on holiday.

16-19th March was the Cheltenham festival (60,000 people from all over the world attending daily), 11th March was Liverpool vs Athletico Madrid. From last week into this week, I think some people who attended those events will start to show symptoms, but we won't see this reflected in the figures until they start getting ill enough to go to hospital (probably next week).

I think it'll be interesting to keep an eye on Ireland's figures over the coming week- a lot of people fly over from Ireland for Cheltenham. At the moment, their figures are quite low, so any spike will be noticeable.

I hope I'm wrong about all of this, though!

@MutatedCat I take hydroxychoroquine, I believe any damage to your eyes is reversible if you stop taking it. I think it’s quite rare anyway.

I'm hoping the decline two days in a row is a positive thing. (But awful for those who have died of course)

Lumene - I said on another thread yesterday, I've only been outside my front door three times in March, and none in the last 18 days.

I imagine quite a few of those others in the "imminent death" group (ffs PP) will have stayed home too

The Canterbury.. That's amazing news, every single thing crossed!

Re death and dying I was by df side watching him pass away quite peacefully for 3 weeks after he said he was ready to go. His condition was of course extremely distressing but he wasn't in crippling pain. There's no way I would have wished covid on him, that would have been very different end. But he was dying.

Making him go on for those 3 weeks with all the stress, where to put him, when to start palliative care, chocking, not able to take liquids was beyond cruel.

I hope this does raise debates about dying in dignity in the UK.
If for instance df had caught covid at the end, that would have been barbaric and making a terminally ill patient die slowly with covid is inhumane...

I think it’s time they dropped this “underlying illnesses” guff
Yesterday the news reported a victim’s “underlying illness” as psoriasis. A 15yo with a bit of flaky skin died because he had an “underlying illness”. It’s ridiculous, and as pp said it’s a method of Othering the victims so people don’t panic.

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am 30 March, a total of 134,946 have been tested:

112,805 negative.
22,141 positive.

As of 5pm on 29 March, of those hospitalised in the UK, 1,408 have sadly died.

Actually psoriasis is pretty known for totally cocking up your immune system and is also a side effect of other more serious conditions such as liver disease.

200 more?? :(

Also I don't know if you have it or know anyone who does, but it is not "just a bit of flaky skin"

psoriasis is not just 'a bit of flaky skin'
it is a serious autoimmune condition that and patients with severe forms are often on immunsupressing medication.

I had work meetings cancelled due to CV at the start of march so people were definitely taking notice then.

7000 tested 2400-2600 positive, anyone else sensing a pattern?

(Sorry, feeling particularly cynical about gov numbers today).

I don't understand why there are two different figures for the day?

Testing numbers are shit.

Does that include the drive through tests?

Psoriasis is quite often not severe though. I’ve had it before. The doctor gives you a bit of cream to put on and it goes away. If it comes back they give you more cream. It’s not something I’d expect to die from.

Is that a 200 rise for today?

Today's chart. Haven't filled in Italy's figures.

Petiolaris what you describe is eczema. which can appear very similar on the skin.

Sorry am I getting the England numbers and UK mixed up.

Petiolaris

Then you obviously didn't have it badly. Plenty do. More to the point, plenty are on immune suppressant medicine to treat it.

I dont know why people are so desperate to try and prove that healthy young people are routinely dying of this illness, because it isnt true and isnt reflected in the stats either. Like that family in the states who sadly had several members all die of covid - said no underlying health issues but when you saw the picture all of them were clearly extremely obese. So clearly something like this was going to hit them harder.

Every single death from this illness is an utter tragedy. But I wish people would stop trying to make out there is some shady conspiracy within the govt and media about it all.