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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35

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TheStarryNight · 30/03/2020 14:28

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mrshoho · 31/03/2020 23:28

The hazmat cladded people are in South Korea and then we have Chessington. Bare arms when we've been told every fricking night now how infectious this virus is.

IronNeonClasp · 31/03/2020 23:48

Honestly couldn't believe the set up in Italy (posted earlier about it). A respiratory ward and they had those double air filter mask with double set of gloves. Does that mean it gets more contagious at critical level?

I'm sorry I'm no medic and I'm totally confused why our medics are being exposed generally or if the disease is at a critical level when the patient is most contagious; but then they are trying to treat someone at critical - so does that mean they'll recover? 🤷‍♀️

mrshoho · 01/04/2020 00:09

I don't know either but at chessington they are still doing nose and throat swab testing in through the car window so close very close contact. I guess in a respiratory ward with many infected patients in one area there is a greater potential for infection and high viral load. I wonder if staff here on those wards get the same protection.

defthand · 01/04/2020 00:14

Public Health England ignored offers of coronavirus testing help as anger mounts at Government's failure to ramp up capacity

As ministers face growing questions over the failure to ramp up testing, The Telegraph can disclose that officials have repeatedly ignored offers of help from many of the country’s leading scientific institutions.

Meanwhile, senior health sources warned that the moment for this country to launch a successful mass community testing programme may already have been lost.

Professor Matthew Freeman, head of Oxford University’s Dunn School of Pathology, one of the country’s leading disease research institutions, revealed that his repeated offers to provide dozens of specialised machines and expert staff had been largely ignored by Public Health England.

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Around two weeks ago, Britain’s strategy switched after Imperial College modellers warned that leaving the disease to spread largely unchallenged could result in 250,000 deaths.

But by this time test kits were in short supply and laboratories had not been readied for action. Initially only a single Government lab, PHE’s main facility at Colindale, was charged with processing tests, with 11 more added later, along with 29 laboratory networks run by NHS Trusts.

At that early stage, thousands of swabs sent to PHE by GPs who suspected their patients had contracted the disease were destroyed before they were analysed because they did not meet strict criteria, sources revealed.

“If they had looked at those swabs earlier instead of throwing them away, we could have got a handle on this thing much earlier,” one GP told The Telegraph.

When it became clear that the herd immunity strategy risked disaster, the strategy changed and ministers and public health officials began prioritising testing amid widespread criticism.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/31/public-health-england-ignored-offers-testing-help-amid-mounting/

Somelady · 01/04/2020 00:23

Imperial college said from the start that 1 in 100 would die and expected it to infect almost everyone at some point, did they not

littlemissmuffins · 01/04/2020 00:50

Our government flouting WHO advice by stalling and stalling about bringing in more testing when WHO has being shouting test test test test for long enough now, it's utterly disgusting!!

As is the lack of PPE that keeps being promised but not yet delivered. They are expecting healthcare staff to go in under protected to help people!!

Also the evasive nature of their answers and scarcity of good journalism.

The fact is, they've known about this for months. Even when it hit Italy, and we knew, we knew, it would come here. Such a slow response. Not to mention that our government along with leaders around the whole world - they've known for many years that a pandemic like this would occur at some point. They've even done studies like the one in 2011, and concluded our health service was not ready!! Why couldn't they have at the very very least made plans for adequate PPE??

Slow response when they had months of warning

Such sad news about cases tonight

Thank you for this thread. I've been following from the start, I'm not very academic though like to try, and find the news and insights very informative

HeIenaDove · 01/04/2020 00:52

@mrshoho the housing association i put in that link had better PPE than that medic at Chessington has.

WHY are refusing help/not placing orders?

Originalyellowbelly · 01/04/2020 00:55

I know someone working at a GP surgery who supposedly had a delivery of full ppe, signed for delivery, except it was nowhere to be found. Where is it?

Petiolaris · 01/04/2020 00:58

Probably nicked to sell on the black market, to frightened people who are willing to pay vastly inflated prices.

defthand · 01/04/2020 01:04

@littlemissmuffins I share all of those frustrations. I need some quality time away from the interwebs because my frustration with our leadership on this is...drastic. Smile

@HelenaDove That’s unbelievable. Four bottles of hand gel. Hmm

HeIenaDove · 01/04/2020 01:13

Jacinda Ardern took this seriously from the off.

mrshoho · 01/04/2020 01:14

Helena, that is woeful re the GP practice. Shock
The government slogan Protect our NHS doesn't match up.

HeIenaDove · 01/04/2020 01:19

Its really really shit Angry

defthand · 01/04/2020 02:18

Nick Mehta, the U.K.’s deputy ambassador to South Korea tweeted this:

Delighted @tradegovukkor was able to help to secure 🇰🇷 #COVID19 testing kits for 🇬🇧. International cooperation vital to stopping this virus. @ukinkorea @natalieblackuk @NHSuk

Apparently SK are manufacturing 350,000 test kits a day now.

MurrayTheMonk · 01/04/2020 06:06

Oh my word-they have claimed they have delivered our PPE and jt was signed for as well... which just didn't happen!!

MurrayTheMonk · 01/04/2020 06:14

And the same at our sister service in the next town-said their PPE had been delivered and signed for-and theirs hadn't either!

CrunchyCarrot · 01/04/2020 07:50

Morning all. Well at some future point there will be a huge shitstorm over the mis handling of this.

I am SOOOO sick of the UK govt bragging how they are listening to experts and following the science. And how testing will be ramped up (they said that a month ago and it STILL hasn't been) and are lying about things like 'not enough reagents' to make test kits. Plus the PPE, where the fuck is it?? 'We have enough', 'planned deliveries', etc.

Too much lip service and not nearly enough action. Too many people will die due to this. Then afterwards they'll be telling us what a good job they did!! Well bollocks to that! Angry

OldQueen1969 · 01/04/2020 07:52

@MurrayTheMonk

That is terrible.

I might be tempted to report as theft, and if that doesn't wash, go straight to the press and your MP.

This is the kind of thing that really makes me suspect malice dressed up as incompetence.

MarshaBradyo · 01/04/2020 08:06

Lots of criticism this morning on R4 re testing and PPE.

Nightingale hospital reminds me of that Kate Winslet scene where she says now give me three more.

IronNeonClasp · 01/04/2020 08:06

@littlemissmuffins - you put it into the words I can't.

Guardian article here: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/31/nhs-staff-gagged-over-coronavirus-protective-equipment-shortages

It is right to believe this has been handled so badly and that some top Boris team stated "herd immunity". I'm afraid it continues. Makeshift hospitals/morgues are being set up because they know how many are infected and they have lists of the kinds of illnesses/vulnerabilities; how many of us are in work out of work; with/without kids blah. Not a conspiracy just fact. No testing, no tracking due to resources. Just awful. Death toll is going to be horrendous. Like a death trap.

And what happens if you don't get it? You need to get it at some stage. Can't hang around waiting for a vaccine without being exposed.

I'm so scared. Scared about what's coming. Really terrified as we go into the next few days and couple of weeks. Not sure I can mentally prepare for the numbers.

I was going to play April's fools on my kids but I don't have a joke in me Sad

IronNeonClasp · 01/04/2020 08:09

By 'know' how many I mean they have guesstimates.. Just think of the spreader image 1 to 3 to however many. That's what they let happen.

Also here in Wales they have changed the statistics from 'by county' to 'health boards'. I'd been trying to find Welsh stats for about a week and did last night. Obv makes sense but really odd.

RedToothBrush · 01/04/2020 08:24

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-pregnant-women-birth-hospital-nhs-parents-advice-a9439391.html
Pregnant women forced to give birth without support in hospital amid coronavirus outbreak
Exclusive: ‘The consequences and potential trauma of women giving birth alone go far beyond coronavirus,’ says spokesperson for maternity care charity

Frontline service providers warn pregnancy services are struggling under the pressure of the coronavirus outbreak, with some maternity units 30 or 40 per cent down on staff and substantial numbers of birth centres being turned into coronavirus units.

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Maria Booker, of Birthrights, a maternity care charity, said some women are being asked to have inductions rather than caesarean sections so anaesthetists can be freed up to help on the frontline of the crisis

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Ms Booker, who noted women are less likely to have C-sections or forceps deliveries when going into labour at home or in birth centres, raised concerns trusts were not properly “thinking through” decisions to close birth centres and argued the UK should follow the lead of the Netherlands, where hotels are being turned into birth centres.

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The Royal College of Midwives (RCM) has called for NHS leaders to ring-fence maternity services to safeguard pregnant women’s safety in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. The warning comes as research by the RCM revealed that while almost one in 10 midwife posts were absent prior to the coronavirus pandemic, the shortage has now skyrocketed, with one in five midwife roles currently vacant

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Around eight out of 10 staff reported that routine face-to-face antenatal and postnatal appointments were no longer being carried out.

I note that coronavirus itself is having a very hard effect on older males. This risks younger women and babies. And we already knew there were massive safety issues within maternity.

IronNeonClasp · 01/04/2020 08:42

Numbers just don't make sense for all first cases... (Hope this works)
Italy: 105,792- 12,428 - 15,729 - 77,635 - 4,023 - 1,750 - 206 - Jan 29
Spain: 95,923 - 8,464 - 19,259 - 68,200 - 5,607 - 2,052 - 181 - Jan 30
UK: 25,150 - 1,789 - 135 - 23,226 - 163 - 370 - 26 - Jan 30
Sweden: 4,435 - 180 - 16 - 4,239 - 358 - 439 - 18 - Jan 30
Russia: 2,337 - 17 - 121 - 2,199 - 8 - 16 - 0.1 - Jan 30

IronNeonClasp · 01/04/2020 08:43

What did Sweden do right?

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