Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

That's exactly what the Italians felt too.

They continued to ignore advice to not go out and mingle.

Wonder how they feel now?

I care not one fuck about bad language. Just words. What we have here is a bunch of people prioritising their temporary mental health/economic situation over other people’s lives.

Many people on this thread ought to think about being kinder to others.

I find the #bekind appeal somewhat ironic when on all these threads people have decided that the lives of thousands of others are not worth them giving anything up temporarily.

It IS a total overreaction though. Not everyone who catches it is goin
g to die. They might not even get that sick.

"We remind people of the deaths because they are our loved ones. They are our parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, siblings, doctors and nurses. Because it’s more than worth it to keep as many as possible of them safe. Would you honestly prefer to be a doctor and heading our daily to work your 12, 15, 19 hour shift in an overflowing hospital? That’s not so much freedom as dedication and heroism."

Well said. Every number represents a life which had lived, which had loved ones and which had been someone's mum/father/sister/brother/son/daughter. The number means a life that has been taken away because of the spread of this virus.

One thing it has not been spoken out: One person catches this and ends up to need ventilator, another person might lose the care he/she needs to survive because of the short of resource in the system.

Remember that old Italian priest who died after having given the ventilator to another young man? What if that young man has not caught this in the first instance!

No it isn’t. Laws have been created with the purpose of expressly limiting our personal freedoms.

The poster didn't mean that people were all asked for their views and consent. They meant that there would be massive uncontainable civil unrest if the majority didn't consider the lockdown an acceptable price to pay for saving thousands of people's lives.

people prioritising their temporary mental health

You do realise that for a lot if people it won't stay temporary. Their declining mental health won't suddenly bounce back once this is over. There are already a lot of people struggling with depression,anxiety and suicidal ideation. There is a young woman that has killed herself. Depending on how worse it gets for some some people it can be fucking permanent.

Don't be so callous and dismissive.

@gabrielleblue, as you said "might"! But what if you end up being those smaller percentage which ends up in ICU competing the limited ventilator with another person who's needing it badly?

How much risk you want to take to deprive the chance of survival of another person (maybe an elder) by exposing yourself to this "bad flu"?

One thing it has not been spoken out: One person catches this and ends up to need ventilator, another person might lose the care he/she needs to survive because of the short of resource in the system.

It has on other similar threads. And has consistently been ignored by the posters who don't agree with the measures taken. Because they haven't thought it through, and don't want to.

I’m not sure anyone is saying that they don’t think they should willingly give up their freedom for the greater good?! I’m certainly not. Lockdown is absolutely vital and necessary.I can both understand that AND see that it is a complete curtailment of our rights and freedoms. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I Don't think anyone could say they are really enjoying life right now but calm down.

You're bring asked to stay at home. Be glad that's all and you're not being asked to actually fight a war.

I know it's tough. Everyone's facing serious shit in their lives but really, I'm sick of the wingers and moaners.

I am not callous and dismissive of anybody. Getting fed up of people who think their meeting up with friends., gymning and going for meals is worth more than my vulnerable father’s life though.

@PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock

It works both ways, though. People are hugely minimising people's deaths from catching CV if they're already ill, elderly, vulnerable, etc, because they deem their MH to be the most important thing. A lot of people still aren't taking it seriously, either.

You can't expect people to be sympathetic to MH struggles when that person is essentially saying "I'm depressed and it's all your fault. I'm only having to suffer so you (eg: an 70 year old grandmother) can live"

There's dismissive behaviour on both sides. However, you can recover from a lot of MH struggles. You cannot bring back someone who has died of CV.

Some people seriously need to calm down. You may not enjoy having to stay inside so much and avoid contact with others, but it's hardly having your basic human rights taken away, and the suggestion that they may not be "reinstated" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in recent memory.

We should be grateful for what we do have, atm. Take a moment to count our blessings. If the news is too much, find a way to think about something else for a while. Maybe MN isn't the best place to be, right now, if you're sincerely freaking out about CV.

We should be grateful for what we do have, atm. Take a moment to count our blessings. If the news is too much, find a way to think about something else for a while. Maybe MN isn't the best place to be, right now, if you're sincerely freaking out about CV.

Agree with this.

I hate being controlled too and have always been rebellious but I’ll happily give up my freedom for a couple of months to save people from dying.
It’s not just people from this virus that are dying but people with other health problems too because they can’t get the attention and treatment they need because of all the resources being diverted for Coronavirus.
I have friends who work in hospitals and in health. They tell me that the situation is worse than what is being reported in the media.
We need to all come together and do this. It’s only temporary.

I am bloody scared too Soph. Too many parallels to 1938 for comfort. Shutting us all down and isolating us.

Oh ffs. I’ve already been isolating for nine MONTHS due to brutal chemotherapy and surgery. And now have to add another THREE. I’m on my own with young children and recently paralysed.

You get on with it.

I'm sorry about everyone that has sadly lost there life due to this horrible disease, to the families that have lost loved ones, to the people that are now facing hardship, losing their jobs and anything else they have going on, the NHS, key workers and anyone else risking there own lives to help people, having to leave there own families behind to help others! If it means I have to sit in my house for the next few weeks to make everyone else's job easier so no more loved ones are lost and I keep my family healthy then so be it! Thank you to everyone who is staying home and thinking of others!

If your worried about having to stay in the house, be a volunteer for the nhs, that way your not stuck in the house or feel like your basic human rights have been took away! Be on the front line of what these people are facing every day! Might make you realise why things are the way they are!

please share exactly what human right has been removed?

The right to free assembly? The Criminal Justice Bill (that I marched against) restricted this. It is, you know, quite important. Happy to voluntarily follow guidelines. Not happy to have my rights removed.

@Soph7777
You hate being controlled.
I hate the thought of what the hospital workers,nurses,doctors are going through and will continue to mentally go through when this is all over.
Perhaps you could volunteer to go and work in a hospital.
Then you would see who is being unreasonable

I find it very amusing that people are worried about their human rights now when the entire of GB thought nothing of the supension of habeus corpus and the diplock courts (no trial by jury) back in the 70s/80s.

What is different? The UK has been through this before - has suspended lots of rights and introduced torture. Why worry now? Is it that it is happening to citizens on mainland Britain?

@Oooooooooooooooooooh thinking of you and your family and hoping for the best possible outcomes. You are an inspiration.

@PepePig you're right it does work both ways, however I've not seen much minimising the other way round.

However OP didn't even say she doesn't care,that she's flouting the rules or plans to do so , or that she think she's super extra special. She just stated she's struggling and explained why.

Other posters have taken it upon themselves to explain to her how vile,selfish,murderous and whatever else that is.

She didn't say she's having a bbq pool party tomorrow. She just said she's struggling and afraid. And that's the responses she got. The responses she's still getting. Shut up, suck it up and stop posting.

She's not the selfish one here.

OP
We could go down the “ Freedom of speech” debate if you really need to be enlightened
Everyone has entitlement to human rights unless there comes a point where the exercising of their human rights causes danger of life to other people or causes others to live in fear.