Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

PepePig you're right it does work both ways, however I've not seen much minimising the other way round.

Funny, I've seen exactly what PepePig describes many times on these threads. People have literally said on other threads that their personal freedoms for a few weeks are worth more than the lives of people "who would die within a year anyway".

People have literally said on other threads that their personal freedoms for a few weeks are worth more than the lives of people "who would die within a year anyway".

That's fucked up.

the entire of GB thought nothing of the supension of habeus corpus and the diplock courts (no trial by jury) back in the 70s/80s.

Hey @pallisers I marched. I tried. Got kettled at the Criminal Justice Bill march Not the 70s but the 90s.

That's fucked up.

Yes. It is.

If they don't give us back our rights after it's over I'll be shoulder to shoulder with you protesting and mounting legal challenges, but for now I'll take it on trust that it's done for the common good, to save lives and stay at home. I hate the tories and think this lot are an incompetent shower and don't trust them further than I can throw them but now is not the time to challenge this.

What's the point of these threads, I genuinely don't understand? Is it (the situation) fucked up? IT IS. Is it shit? IT IS. Is anybody enjoying it? NO.

Thread closed?

But seriously? Does anybody like being confined to their homes? No, people don't. Do people want to go out and interact with others? Well, most do. Are people upset/anxious/worried about the whole situation? They are.

What's the point in whinging then? Literally everybody are feeling this way. No one will come here and say: woohoo, I just LOVE this lockdown, I wish it will go on forever, I love losing my job and income, losing my relatives and friends, not being able to see mum&dad, having to cancel my holidays, seeing how my kids are not being able to go to school, how AMAZING all this is, thanks, covid!

I struggled with authority all my life and got into so much trouble for it, so many times. Flaunted all kinds of rules. Don't like any restrictions and never did. But this is different. The government didn't wake up one day and thought well, let's lock all these peasants up and take everything they have from them, such fun! And I highly doubt they're enjoying it any more than we do. I think Boris would rather be spending time with his new pregnant fiancée (or chasing yet another skirt) without a care in the world, than sitting locked in his flat, sick, and having to deal with global pandemic. Yet there he is and here we are.

All these restrictions are for our own good. To keep us safe. Call me naive, but I do think so. I'd be the first to try and break any kind of limits normally, but in this case, I'd only be cheating myself and harming real people, not some mythical 'establishment'.

It's shit, OP, it is. We just have to wait it out, it's the only sensible thing to do.

@lightlypoached that's pretty much how I feel.

It’s simple if we do t do this 500,000 will die. Do you want that?

🍪 for you op

In abundance

Yes, OP but you seem to have deliberately omitted Article 29(2)

"In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society."

It’s simple if we do t do this 500,000 will die. Do you want that?

Half a million people die of malaria every year. Mostly children. But something comes along that kills old white men in rich countries and suddenly all my civil liberties need fixing.

MrsTerry exactly.

I think if someone comes on and admits they are finding things tough they might expect some sympathy. I think we are all finding some aspect or another, if not many or all, tough, and what exactly affects us individually the worst will vary.
However, OP, I think your last sentence about people rebelling and losing their minds really does sound like a teenager having a strop - sorry, it's just the tone of it. But people don't always come across the way they intend via the internet, and other people may not read it the same way as me.
I do feel, amongst those who are saying, 'why can't we do what we want and let those at risk stay in' there's a real sense of selfish entitlement. Those who are not high risk may still need hospitalisation - would you really give up your ventilator to someone else because you didn't think you'd need one? They will still increase the pool of virus in society, which will increase the risk to others and to the NHS. They will still expect to go shopping - where the shop workers might really really not want to catch it. Or the people who clean. Or drive buses etc etc.
We all value freedom of choice. But not if that choice is at the expense of someone's life. Maybe many lives.

Whether it sounds like a teenager having a strop or not, it's well recognised that harsh regimes can be counterproductive when trying to stop spread of diseases, because it isn'tjust teenage nature it's human nature to rail against control like that. The OP's concern is one that governments are, I'm sure, wondering about themselves and keeping a sharp eye on how people react to the laws brought in.

@Soph7777, human rights in terms of our freedoms are suspended in major wars, too. That's quite honestly a lot more questionable, because nobody's chosen this.

I'm very grateful we are safely on lockdown. And as someone with an Exceptionally Vulnerable letter I'm grateful to every single other person who is healthier than me, yet obeying social distancing to protect those of us more at risk. That includes you, of course.

I'm sorry for your mental health struggles through this, and thank you for continuing to social distance, anyway. You are protecting people like me.

@PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock completely agree.

I'm more grateful to someone finding it this hard, who does it anyway. She needs support, not an online battering.

We all do. This is shit for everyone.

@MrsTerryPratchett that's a straw man argument though - and actually I think it's quite unpleasant to describe the casualties in the current pandemic as "old white men"; the virus doesn't discriminate, and everyone who has died was precious to their friends and families.

In pure terms, there is no such thing as a right. Living in a state of nature would soon show anyone that. Without being legally enshrined, rights are only things we deeply desire and think it fair that everyone should have. They are a matter of laws.

If you think that the current restrictions are illegal, you could try to make a case for that. Without a written constitution I am not sure how the argument would proceed but I bet you would find top legal minds willing to argue either way. I am guessing there as I am not a lawyer.

All our legal rights exist in a societal framework in a way...you have a right to freedom but if you are a convicted murderer you will lose that and be locked up. I guess here the government have made a similar prioritisation, that the lives of people who might get ill and those who would not be able to access treatment if we all get ill at once, economic consequence etc...must be put first.

I don't see any ill intent in their decisions and the new legislation they are using is under six monthly review by parliament. We have a democratically elected parliament and MPs would not go on allowing these laws when they felt they were being exploited.

If we didn't have any restrictions in place, I think we would still find ourselves restricted in a practical sense by the widespread illness and its effects on society.

I do see what you mean about not being in control of our lives...the virus makes that point more strongly than the restrictions though. If anything the restrictions are about the human race trying to control our fate. I do understand though OP, some of us are paying a heavy and permanent price for all of this. I just blame the illness rather than the govt, but let's see if I feel the same in a month or so.

I am sorry you're struggling and I hope you feel better. It seems like we have just been asked to stay in for a bit and why should anyone moan about a few days on the couch...but you're right OP, we don't know your specific circumstances.

I really feel like I'm living in a movie that I didn't ask to be cast in

I think most of us do. Every morning I wake up feeling normal and then I remember. It's unreal. But you can't make a drama out of a crisis.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent

It's the virus they're trying to control. Not us.

And I highly doubt they're enjoying it any more than we do

Thats the thing, I think I would feel more comfortable with it if they hadn't shown such enthusiasm for it in the past.

Some examples from Australia where I am
*In the past few years, the federal and state governments have tried with varying success to have laws passed making peaceful environmental protest illegal.

• There is also an ongoing problem involving the police illegally strip searching minors as young as 12, with no evidence of any crime and without an adult present. They have been taken to court over this but have shown no remorse.

So at least here, it seems exactly the type of thing the government and police would enjoy very much.

The human rights had been removed before the virus started. I was told by the head teacher at my sons school 2 weeks ago that his absence would be unauthorized and i would get a fine for removing him. In the UK you have no right to buy medicine with your own money without a prescription, however the UK is the only country in the world that is not using the anti-malaria drug that has been shown to work internationally for treating CV which reasearch on that drug since sars 2008, and there has been 2 clinical studies since this new outbreak began. Even if you have Corona virus you cannot get tested in the UK and you will get no prescription for the antibiotics that are needed or the anti malaria drug to go with it. The cases of people told to stay at home by 111 then dying in a short space of time is on the increase, all people in this country should have the right to access the medicine they need when they are sick, the momment they get sick. At the momment this is clearly not happening. The issue is that the anti malaria drug was invented 70 years ago and the patent has expired, this means any company in any country in the world can manufacture the drug cheaply, the UK would like to use a patented HIV drug made by a UK company.

everyone who has died was precious to their friends and families.

Quite. So why is covid an emergency but malaria isn't?

It's the exponential growth, i think @MrsTerryPratchett. Also, there are anti malarial drugs and nets that are distributed. But as it mostly affects poor people "away from our eyes" it is invisible to most other than dedicated campaigners; both scientists and philanthropists. But they do care and are trying. It just doesn't affect the national consciousness in the uk and most western countries.

I have had malaria ftr and was treated seriously at the London hospital for infectious diseases.

Another point is it doesn't bring down established economies so doesn't have the shock factor. It has has been one of the many variables that prevent an emergent economy from moving from primary to secondary.

You need to get a grip, it’s affecting each and everyone in some respect . I feel on the edge of having a panic attack every evening, my husband is a frontline Dr in AE and I am petrified he will bring it home to our kids. In fact we had a major row last night as he feels I am being unsupportive of him as I am questioning continually as to whether he’s washed his hands etc.
Nobody has asked to be in this situation, if it means a few months of abnormal lifestyle to get back on track I am willing to accept it. Try to change your train of thought, perhaps find one of those breathing apps a lot of people find them helpful . Try and stay off social media and pamper yourself, I got all dolled up with no place to go today and it made me feel better.
Regards to human rights if we don’t take the governments advice this virus will completely overwhelm the UK, absolutely scary figures about the small amount of ventilators available. I personally feel lock down should have been earlier as the shit is about to hit the fan in the next 2-3 weeks 😢

People get angry when they are described as snowflakes, yet so many of them are now demonstrating exactly why that term is apt. They can't cope with any restrictions on their cosy entitled lives, it's all "I want"

Those of you who are whining about your human rights being taken away really have no idea. Why don't you use your free time to do something useful, volunteer to help the NHS etc.

Rebel all you like OP - it won't do you any good. I have learnt a lot from these threads and it really has opened my eyes to just how selfish people can be.