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Our human rights have been taken away

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Soph7777 · 29/03/2020 23:40

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

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JustInCaseCakeHappens · 30/03/2020 12:41

Still waiting to hear Amy's solution for dealing with this virus with no social distancing measures...

that everyone else has to obey them, but "Amy" being so special nothing applies to them and they'd obviously still allowed to do as they fancy.

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:42

fa It might be something to do with tens of thousands of needless deaths perhaps? Just a wild guess you understand. All those relishing lockdowns and rules should be told to no longer care about human life....Hmm

mbosnz · 30/03/2020 12:43

Rights that we have had the extreme good fortune to always enjoy in this country, right back to the last World War, that we took for granted in the same way that a fish takes water for granted, have been temporarily curtailed or suspended.

No Government wants to do this. It's not going to win them any friends, or elections, they will only do this extremely reluctantly, in the face of insurmountable evidence that it is necessary. A Government as focused as the Tory's traditionally are, on the economy, is going to do as little as possible for as short a time as possible, given the disastrous effect on the bottom line.

Yes, it's hellish bad, for some more than others, on our mental and physical health. To some extent, I think we can perhaps help ourselves by focusing on what we can control (planning your day, your meals), and on the positives (at least we have a house to quarantine in, a family or we're not quarantined with anyone else, food in the fridge, whatever you can see to be thankful for, rather than whinging about what we currently haven't got.

These measures are necessary to save our lives, our loved ones' lives, and to ensure we aren't the unwitting means by which we cause the death of another.

We don't have to like it. We just have to accept it.

FaFoutis · 30/03/2020 12:43

Let it lie JustIn for god's sake. I doubt this frothing is doing you or anyone else any good.

Mittens030869 · 30/03/2020 12:43

The government tried to avoid legislating for a lockdown. They asked the public to change their behaviour to protect the NHS by social distancing but too many people took no notice. They closed pubs and restaurants, and these people still didn't get it,

What were they supposed to do, wait until the idiots got the message that they were endangering their lives ant they lives of other people? When would this have happened, when the death toll reached 1,000.

I agree that these restrictions should be temporary and there will be a time for them to be removed. BoJo says he doesn't want the restrictions to be in place any longer than necessary. If he finds excuses to keep them in place, then he should be challenged. (I don't think Boris would do this, but Thatcher or Blair might have.)

In the meantime, we all need to focus on beating this virus.

strawberrylipgloss · 30/03/2020 12:43

Amy - if being out and about is important to you, have you thought about getting a job (paid or voluntary) that would allow you to travel further than 2km?

If anyone should be angry about rights right now, it's those people who have to work yet aren't supplied with protection from their employers as well as people who work in places that should be shut like warehouses of online fashion sites.

JustInCaseCakeHappens · 30/03/2020 12:43

You can do everything you bloody like as long as you don't bother or hurt someone else.

What other way is there?

another reason why the royal family has no place in these days and age, they are not special nor do they justify a special status

JustInCaseCakeHappens · 30/03/2020 12:44

FaFoutis
who's frothing? I find this thread and others very entertaining Grin

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:45

justin Yes please do stop frothing about the needless deaths of thousands and thousands of perfectly innocent people, and lets go back to frothing about human rights. Right.....Confused

FaFoutis · 30/03/2020 12:47

There's clearly a mass mental health problem brewing.
You find a nasty pile-on entertaining?

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:48

fa I think the more pressing problem is the death toll from the pandemic to be fair.

safariboot · 30/03/2020 12:48

Not read the whole thread. I would say though that our human rights have not been taken away.

Our right to life - the whole point of the restrictions is to prevent forseeable loss of life.

Our right to not be tortured. To a fair trial for any alleged crimes, and to not be criminalised for something that was legal when we did it. Our right to have property and not have it arbitrarily taken by the state.

These and many more human rights remain intact, and are more important than ever.

It has always been accepted that some (though not all) rights of one person may need to be restricted to protect the rights of others. This is what is happening now. We have restrictions on our freedom of movement within our country. Just one out of many rights.

FaFoutis · 30/03/2020 12:52

You can't do a thing about the death toll but you can choose not to be nasty. It may be that this behaviour is fuelled by anxiety but there seems to be actual enjoyment of the drama in there too. It's very unpleasant and does nothing positive.

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:52

All of the mental health teams are in operation, working around those that are unable to work.

People need to stay at home, those that don't want to stay at home can join the food industry, supermarket teams, foodbanks or NHS volunteers.

Anyone suffering from MH issues from the lockdown should contact the GP or crisis team for advice.

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:52

fa are you related to Amy by any chance?

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 12:53

There is a great deal we can do for the death toll, we can stay at home. It really is that simple.

BeijingBikini · 30/03/2020 12:54

Yes because 2 people with an opinion different to yours must be related? I must have 100's of family members I didn't know about...

catsandlavender · 30/03/2020 12:55

It’s crap, no one likes having to stay at home, no one wants to live in a world where the police can make you stay inside.

But how is it SO HARD to understand that the other option is loads more people die?! “Ugh just let the vulnerable people stay inside not me!” The level of selfishness on this thread is staggering. Tough luck, we’ve had some freedoms TEMPORARILY RESTRICTED in order to help the NHS and save lives of vulnerable (and non vulnerable) people. In this case, yes it is bloody ok that these measures are in place.

I genuinely cannot believe some of what I’ve read on here.

FaFoutis · 30/03/2020 12:55

Have a nice cup of tea. Look at the flowers. Stroke a cat.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/03/2020 12:56

amy

Obviously you Are allowed your opinion, and as youve said numerous times now you are obeying the rules so I can’t really see what the problem is

Not aimed at amy but...

strawberry had a good point for anyone struggling, its taking the nhs volunteer thingy a while to check ID But its certainly an option to help others and possibly help yourself

PepePig · 30/03/2020 12:56

Yes, anyone missing the freedoms of life should be on the phone to Tescos as we speak, getting temporary work to commence tomorrow, or out volunteering.

If people want more "freedom" they might as well do something useful while having it.

Guarantee most won't, though. It's okay to complain about it, but to actually put yourself in the firing line? No chance.

wincarwoo · 30/03/2020 12:56

I think you have to be from another planet to not be upset about that.*

It's being tolerant tof a shit situation. Not being upset on principle. And for those of us that can - helping out.

It's not an excuse to navel gaze about curtailment of human rights.

Yesterdayforgotten · 30/03/2020 12:57

Speaking of selfish a neighbour has just gone out in her car and came back with no food shopping... looks like she has gone to see her boyfriend. I wouldn't ne surprised if they call for a stricter lockdown because of the few idiots abusing this one!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/03/2020 12:59

Even with a stricter lockdown yesterday (which i agree will hapoen soon) you are still going to get idiots

Sunshine1235 · 30/03/2020 13:00

Sorry @esjee this thread is moving too fast and I missed your reply.

One of the discussion points after this (and it may be quite a while after this) will be whether these measures were worth the cost. We don’t yet know what that cost will be, but there is a real possibility that the cost of the measures will be far more devastating than the virus itself, time will tell. I don’t know (clearly!) but all i’m saying is these discussions need to be had rather than shouting down anyone who even questions what’s going on.

But yes I would definitely want to make any future government think twice about overreacting and using lockdown as an acceptable response to future situations.