Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Amy if they did nothing do you know how many would die?

Maybe try thinking about the holocaust!

So because lockdown is not like the holocaust no one is allowed to voice any negative opinions about it?!

At the other end Amymayapple I am interested in what you think we should be doing to ensure that the entire population doesn't get this virus all at once?

@MarshaBradyo I am saying that I think threatening people with the use of police force, is breaking a human right, under any circumstances

A genuine question - how effective is hospital treatment for those effected? I don't know and it would seem crucial to the issue of them being overwhelmed and therefore lockdown.

It’s crap but people are dying and other people who are key workers don’t have the luxury of being able to choose whether they stay safe or not. Don’t really think staying home is too much to ask you when people are risking their lives to help save others or keep society ticking over

Unfortunately many people will not listen without it.

You say 1228 people have died which is terrible but you know it’s not a patch on who would die if we did what we wanted?

I think threatening people with the use of police force, is breaking a human right, under any circumstances

Jesus wept.

We use police force every single minute of every single day, if we didn't we would like in anarchy. Is that something you would like to see?

I am wondering out loud, whether you are just posting for entertainment purposes Amy how do you know that you will not be killed by the virus in a few weeks? Or someone close to you? Do you have some kind of immunity that the rest of us are lacking, some kind of super power? Because you seem to be alluding to the fact that this is happening to everyone else, when in fact this is happening to all of us, including you.

@marshabradyo but how do we know that?

There are loads of free books on Kindle today.
The weather is on the whole good.
I'm working from home but don't have to battle with the daily commute.
I've got a tidier house and I am seeing more of my kids.
Joe Wicks - well, I can't keep up with him but he's definitely worth tuning in to every morning.
I'll take this one for the team.
I don't think this was a decision taken lightly by any government.

You don't know what you are talking about Amy. With nothing in place, 1228 deaths would literally not even scratch the surface of deaths from Covid 19. We would be getting more than that every day (in fact in Spain and Italy they are not far off that now). 17,000 deaths would be nothing, a tiny proportion. The NHS would be totally overwhelmed, there would be nowhere to put bodies, people would literally be dying all over the place. Thousands of them. Because even though this virus only actually severely affects a small proportion of people, in a population of 65 million, a small proportion is still hundreds of thousands of people. This lockdown is needed to slow the spread of this virus so that not everyone gets it at the same time, so that the NHS can cope and therefore hopefully less people will die just because they weren't able to be treated at all.

This is a novel virus, there is zero immunity to it in the population, it will spread to literally every single person it comes in contact with, who will spread it further. That is not the case with seasonal flu.

It's not that hard to understand.

@cornishdreams1

Let me clarify:

I think that using police force to restrict freedom of movement in our own country, is breaking a human right, under any circumstances

Amy read the Imperial College report

Is it that difficult to watch the news, see the havoc being wreaked across the world, and conclude that we all have to try to do whatever it takes to mitigate it? Why has every single country concluded that a lockdown is the best we can do in the circumstances? Are they all wrong?

How do you know that @Vaginandtonic you have been told that about something that hasn't happened yet.

Has anyone seen the Professor Hugh Montgomery interview on Channel 4? He was saying, with normal flu, you infect 1.4 people. With Coronavirus it appears to be 3 people. If you factor that by 10 - i.e. each person passes it along 10 times you get 14-16 people getting flu 'from you' (as the first person to pass it). With Coronavirus it's 59,000 people...from your little cough and 'freedom' to do what you want when you want.

The answer? Get a grip and do as you're told. If those, odd, few decide they want to riot because they've 'lost their freedoms' good luck to them. I hope they can find a ventilator when they need it after being in close proximity to each other.

The government has signed this out for a limited period. Do you really think Boris et al want people staying home indefinitely? Not having a job to pay their taxes? Not producing anything? Needing benefits rather than contributing money towards them? Taking up resources in hospitals and having to put billions of pounds into bracing up the NHS? All to control us.

If you feel it's all baloney, go out. Meet your friends (if they're as daft as you). Let us know how you are in a fortnight or two....

Thank you vagina for a great summary, I fear we will still have a reply from Amy along the lines of but how do you know?

Well why don't find out, cancel the lockdown and sit back and watch

How do you control people effectively? Make people think that it is for their own safety.

I am saying that I think threatening people with the use of police force, is breaking a human right, under any circumstances

How do you think we avoid total anarchy in this country on a daily basis? Do you think that it's just because people can be trusted to do the right thing at all times, everywhere? That the threat of police doesn't come into it at all? Why do we have a police force in the first place? What are you on about?!

Amy read up on exponential growth re viruses and link anything that you find that doesn't support what we are saying. And backs your doubts.

Once Governments have enacted laws to erode human rights they're not keen to give them back. Macron must be enjoying not having to deal with the Gilets Jaune right now.

Can we agree that there could be a reason for this.

And yet some of us can also think that the reaction is completely disproportionate to what happened.

cornishdreams1 I do disagree with you I'm afraid, this government has shown that it only takes action when pressured from outside. It was Macron threatening to shut the borders to the UK that tipped Boris into lockdown. Ventilator procurement was slow and many MPs have been asking questions about why this was the case and pushing this along, same with testing- MPs were asking about tests produced in their constituency several weeks before the PM managed to get some ordered.

You seem to think there is one policy, one set of actions, and everyone agrees on this- there isn't, policy is a series of decisions made partly in response to external events, which is why it is very very important that the press and the government opposition and indeed others in government continue to ask searching questions. Saying 'the government knows best' is likely to lead to very bad policy indeed.

@Vaginandtonic I was referring to police restricting human movement in our own country, not having police at all.

I wrote that a few posts above you.

And yet some of us can also think that the reaction is completely disproportionate to what happened.

It’s to stop 500 000 deaths and collapse of NHS it hasn’t happened yet. It’s too hard to discuss reasonably if you don’t read up on the numbers.