Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Amy every European country has larger fines than us and more police presence. The issue is many people won’t care otherwise.

Have a rant, have a moan,

Except people can't,can they? At least not on here. If they do they are literally being told to "put up and shut up". That they are stupid,precious,snowflakes,selfish,murderers,that they want people to die etc.

OP said she's struggling. She said she's following guidelines, she's staying in, she understands why it's needed. She'd make the same decision if she was in charge. But she's struggling.

Look at the pile on and vile responses she got for that.

@MarshaBradyo I don't believe all that they are telling us.

I don't know exactly what is going on.

But I do know that they have very effectively controlled us and took alot of our freedoms away in a short space of time.

No you are completely in the wrong @Ammayapple. You need to wisen up.

“Would you possibly mind staying within 2k of your home for us and just to let you know the nice Mr policeman does have powers to enforce this if that is ok with you.”

I agree OP that we need to thinking about the impact of losing our civil liberties. Yes we all understand it’s for a specific cause but that doesn’t mean we need to blindly accept it without discussion about what that actually means for us - a country that historically has valued its freedom above all else. I’m not suggesting at all we riot in the streets and I really hope this doesn’t lead to unrest but I think the government need to be held to account after this is all over. I think it needs to be worked out one way or another whether these measures were actually necessary and we need to raise our voices to ensure that this kind of reaction doesn’t set a precedent for future situations and that our liberties are fully restored to us as soon as possible.

(If there aren’t mass deaths then Boris et al. will claim it’s because of these measures - but we need to actually think about whether that’s true or not and hold them to account)

nearly If we don't have enough ventilators to serve the tens of thousands of patients that will soon need them, then we don't have enough ventilators! All the conversation about best practice is not going to change that fact, pressure from the opposition will not magic up new ventilators from nowhere!
The same can be said for the PPE and all the other 'issues' we are currently facing. We can all see that there isn't enough, highlighting the fact isn't going to help anybody. Action will make the difference, fast decisive action.
There is no need for pressure, because everyone is working to deliver the same thing. Debating on where to get PPE is hardly going to help, we need a pin point the best source, agree consensus quickly and get on with it.

Post analysis can be done afterwards. The only reasonable benefit from extended debates and pressure would be if there were viable/better alternatives, but as it stands now most cases all parties are in broad agreement.

You are building walls for no reason. The aim is the same for every party, for every MP, for every living person in the country, and that is to save as many lives as possible in the quickest possible time.

That is precisely why you will not see huge rows in parliament about where to buy the ventilators or whether more PPE is needed, as it is plainly obvious we need to acquire as many as possible of all these things.

But I do know that they have very effectively controlled us and took alot of our freedoms away in a short space of time.

Maybe have that chat with someone in North Korea or China under 'normal' conditions. They'll wonder what we're complaining about.

@Sunshine1235 great post.

I agree. This is happening to us. Even if we understand that there may be a cause behind it.

It doesn't mean that we need to blindly accept all of these measures without discussion.

Discussion is so important

Amy what would you have done differently?

@Nanny0gg I would like to point out that these measures were in place in Ireland, where I am, two weeks before they were put in place in the UK.

So it has been three weeks of all restaurants, libraries, public buildings, most shops closed.

Many, many jobs lost.

Give it another few weeks in the Uk and see. How it feels

amy And whilst we have this discussion are you happy for tens of thousands of people to lose their lives because we did not act quickly enough?

People were given the chance, it was quite clear that people shouldn't be meeting in groups etc, and couldn't manage it. We didn't enter 'lockdown' straight away or on a whim, in fact many criticized the government for not doing it soon enough. We are having to be kept an eye on like children because some people in this country are selfish, and cannot abide simple rules.

@Sunshine1235 you want to hold them to account if it turns out they overreacted? They acted on the data they had at time. Personally, I'd prefer them to overreact and have my 'civil liberties' infringed for a short time, than underreact and have a large death toll. I hope people like you remember that when you 'hold them to account'. You might make future governments think twice about overreacting, which will be great for your civil liberties! But might have terrible consequences in reality.

@soph7777

Your posts are all really self-centred, all about what you don't like, how anxious you feel, how you don't want to be controlled - why not use this time to think about others?

Do you think our NHS workers feel any less anxious than you?
Do you think they look forward to going into work and facing the reality of this disease?
Do you think supermarket workers don't have anxiety every day about constantly being surrounded by people who might be infected.
Do you think those in the vulnerable group aren't terrified of getting ill?
Do you think any of us are enjoying being apart from friends and family?

We're all just doing what we can for the good of other people. Human rights don't come in to it at all.

Come on now, look beyond yourself and how you're feeling. And if you really want to get out and about - and have some of your 'rights' returned to you - why not offer to shop for a vulnerable neighbour or sign up for the NHS volunteer scheme, or get a delivery job for one of the supermarkets?

Bet you don't do any of those things simply because whilst you don't 'like being controlled' or being told what to do, you also won't want to put yourself in the firing line.

There won't be a rebellion any time soon, because there simply aren't enough people who are as selfish and self centred as you.

HTH

@MarshaBradyo I would speak to the public in a nicer way for sure.

I wouldn't want to cause them panic.

I would say that we are working hard on this, and give them a positive timeline to look towards.

They COULD do this

*Except people can't, can they? At least not on here. If they do they are literally being told to "put up and shut up". That they are stupid, precious, snowflakes, selfish, murderers, that they want people to die etc.

OP said she's struggling. She said she's following guidelines, she's staying in, she understands why it's needed. She'd make the same decision if she was in charge. But she's struggling.

Look at the pile on and vile responses she got for that.*

Exactly. I am not sure why having a moan on an internet forum - surely the least disruptive way of doing so - is such a great crime. That's all this OP (and others) have done. Type some words onto a public forum to express their thoughts. That's it.

amy I am on day 17 of isolation, I know what it feels like, and I still completely support the decision to lockdown much of the country.

We don't need shops or libraries to stay alive, we simply need to stay at home.

Amy I actually think they tried to be nicer

Watch Johnson at first he struggles to say anything other than it’s advice, very strong advice. People took him at his word and carried on regardless

I don’t care il give up every freedom in these extraordinary times of it keeps my loved ones safe. Freedom is a theoretical concept anyway in theory you go where ever you like but practically most people are trapped due to economic circumstances

Anyone complaining about the restrictions, think about people with chronic illness, for a lot of these, the restrictions you are moaning about are normal life. I suffer from ME/CFS, in the last 3 months I can count on one hand the number of times I have left the house, this is normal for me. At least you have the hope of when restrictions are lifted being able to get back to some kind of normal, I have no hope whatsoever of ever having a normal life again.

Yes! It is important to have a discussion.

I just think that we ive our governments too much power, in the running of our lives.

Every human being is equally important. We all have a say in the running of our lives

Its probably safe to say those that are complaining about their human rights probably do not have a loved one fighting for their life in hospital, nor on the front line in ICU - nor will they have a vulnerable disabled child who could die if they caught CV.

It is safe to say that all of these people spouting on about human rights are in the enviable position of being able to consider such things in the middle of a pandemic that is growing by the day.

Having just learned that two healthcare colleagues (dentist) e been admitted into ICU over the weekend I’d quite happily see all human rights taken away temporarily. I am very scared which is not my default setting. I am always the calm at the middle of the storm and ultra cool in emergencies.
Watching the general public fail to grasp basic infection control is doing my head in. I am unable to see my patients and get them out of pain. If the whole world has had to stop for healthcare then it should stop for everyone who is not essential.

Okay this is what I think:

They said it is to save lives.

But is their reaction, the right one? I do not think that it is.

About 1228 people have died from coronavirus in the UK. No one is saying that is ok. It is tragic.

But people die in much larger numbers from nearly everything else, every year.

Their reaction this time has made many people lose their jobs, affect many people's mental health, panicked people severely, took away freedoms, scared the elderly and vulnerable, and they have threatened police force.

I do think that their reaction has been disproportionate and has broken human rights.

We have a say in how we are treated