Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

I remember being gobsmacked when it was bodies like the FA cancelling matches before the government stepping in.

cornishdreams1 I completely disagree, you don't 'save lives' first and then discuss what could be done differently- you discuss continuously and critically what can be done to save lives. It is only the continuous and public pressure on the gov't over PPE that is finally getting that shifted, that is simply appalling and drs and nurses will die as a consequence of that failure. Pressure has to be applied, different scenarios discussed, modelled and fought over. There isn't one plan we all have to agree on!

Yawn. Human rights?? Get a grip.
Maybe try thinking about the holocaust!

It hasn't only been a week for us all.

It has been three weeks now in Ireland of these measures.

Right to life is the most important one surely?

More important than the right to restaurant...

@Greenpop21 shouldn't we have a right to go outside withoute police hassling us?

Freedom is a basic human right!

although the vast majority of police do a brilliant job we're already seeing abuses from some

This has always been the case though.

You nearly always have a choice

You can still go out of your house. You could go out for 24 hrs. However if you go out and get arrested. You made that choice

You can still go get food. A choice. You can choose how you get your food. If it's not available for home slots. You've still got the CHOICE as to whether you want to physically go to the shop.

You've got a choice. But right now some of those choices have consequences

Your human rights haven't been taken away. You can still use the toilet. Still be in your home. Still eat your food. You've always had a choice! We live in a world of free will

Occasionally though. That free will has a consequence.

Why would police hassle you if you’re following the rules?

but it's the precedent it sets which worries me. There's a sad history of authorities, once given a bit of extra power, not being keen to hand it back again

Exactly what moment in British history are you referring to puzzle? At what point was the precedent set in the UK? Has it ever happened? The Magna Carter was written in 1215 and since then we have had an upward trajectory of democracy and human rights, so I would be interested to discuss in detail your reference point.

It is also worth pointing out that we do live in a democracy, if you feel the current government have overstepped the mark, we can go out en masse and remove them. Simple.

@Amymayapple

Quite frankly no. People have shown they cant abide by what is being asked. So no for that reason.

@Greenpop21 we have been told that we are allowed to walk 2km from our homes, and that police can enforce this.

Why speak to people like that? It is causing stress and panic.

I find this an overreaction. Have a look at India and see how much better we have it atm

There’s always someone moaning. Not enough, too much. We’re probably in the middle.

It’s for your own good.

@neveradullmoment99 can't abide by what they are being asked?

It is a big ask! It has never been asked before and they expect us to be able to do it easily now?

All of a sudden we are supposed to act how they want, and if we don't they will use police to control us.

That is a horrendous way to treat a population

Look at America! They have hardly locked down anywhere. Have you seen the numbers infected? Tip of the iceberg for them.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Scroll down to see the numbers.

Amy why do you think they want us to do it, who does it benefit most?

Not that much choice for many - there is often no one line shopping and the shops will only let you buy a little bit of food so no choice but to go food shopping an awful lot for many.

Some of your human rights have been taken away.

When we talk about human rights being removed we either mean by law (and some of them have indeed been removed) and also in practice - eg if an abusive state without being allowed to do something by law does it anyway.

I am not sure using the toilet is a right we all still have! 1. some people don't have them rough sleepers) and 2. it is the one thing most affected for many - no toilet paper. I am suggesting leaves to the children currently which we used to use when in the wilds - sphagnum moss is not too bad. Just as well my lawn is full of it.

Should they let them risk their own and other’s lives then? That would be a horrendous way to treat the population.

Also Amy what would you prefer - We all get the virus in the same timeframe then what?

142 + infected.

17,000 people die of the flu every year in the UK, and they don't impose these strict measures

Left unchecked this is predicted to kill at least 500,000

The chief medical officer has said if these measures work, we will be lucky if the death rate is 20,000

Can you not see the difference and why we need these measures?

500,000 isn't 17,000 is it?

Sorry 142 000 + infected in America. Just wait to see the death toll.

@MarshaBradyo it is not the way to talk to people.

If you don't follow our rules, the police will enforce them.

That is not a good way to speak to people.

I think that alone , using the threat of police, is breaking human rights

I expect you'd likely be worried about the precedent when hospitals can't run A and E wards or offer any other treatments because they're no longer staffed or every ward has CV patients in them.
That is what we're trying to avoid.

If this was a toxic airbourne weapon being used against us I doubt you'd be so concerned about being told to stay inside, it essentially is just that. You don't know what underlying conditions you or your loved ones might have as a fair few of them aren't visible until the body is put under stress.