Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

It's hard for people living on their own for sure. But the quicker we all accept it and do the right thing the quicker it will be over for all of us. China's lockdown was 23rd January and they've been gradually returning to work for several weeks now.

Which of your human rights specifically have been taken away fgs?

Your right to justice and no summary executions?
Freedom from slavery?
Being allowed to own property?
To not be deprived of your nationality/thrown out of your home and country for political reasons?
Your right to vote?

What you mean is you're pissed off that you've been asked to stay inside and co operate with a national effort for a short period of time as part of unprecedented national and international measures in a fucking pandemic, and that the police are enforcing co operation with this for those in a state of I Don't Want To, I Don't Like No.

Grip. I recommend them.

We are all in this together? Are we bollocks.

It's been one week. One week!
The Police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They either don't act enough or are too harsh.

If i start feeling down and suppressed I'll put on a myriad of fitness videos or go for a walk for milk. And remind myself of the absolute horror and shit some people have to put up with right now on an hourly basis.

Get some perspective. Something like 53 doctors have died in Italy already and two here. Another just got his jaw broken in Salford and people are whimpering because they can't see someone face to face.

Lots of highly educated and qualified (much more so than the average mumsnetter) human rights barristers are up in arms about this.

Both the government and the police will be in a lot of trouble soon

If this happens then I think all doctors and nurses should walk out. There's no way they should be compelled to face the risk to their lives caused by self important lawyers making theoretical arguments.

Let the human rights lawyers work in the hospitals instead. Wonder how many would be arguing for civil liberties and our freedom to congregate after that?

"But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week."
Thats how Pandemic's works, its all in the plan. Its not explicitly stated as such though
www.scribd.com/document/448917193/UK-Influenza-Pandemic-Preparedness-Strategy-2011#download

Why can't those who have had it get a green pass like they do in China!!!

Because the scientists don't fully understand the virus yet. There is some suggestion that otherwise healthy medical professionals died because repeated exposure worsens the condition. There are also reports that some people have had it twice.

OP, I hear you. It's never other than extremely discomfiting to see your liberties curtailed, and with such speed and willing acquiesence. The line 'it's for your own good' is the one often trotted out by despots, and some of the behaviour of the police has been highly questionable. It's worth bearing in mind, though, that the laws just imposed have a strict time limit and are subject to continual review. But as the old saying goes, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Be well.

3 doctors dead in UK plus one nurse in ROI.

Agree with Michelle.
Our rights have not been taken away . We are being asked to make an individual sacrifice to benefit the whole of society. It’s not easy, but it is necessary.

China's lockdown was 23rd January and they've been gradually returning to work for several weeks now.

Thay have - but this may not be the right thing.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/life-after-lockdown-has-china-really-beaten-coronavirus

OP I haven't read the full thread, but have read quite a bit of it. You should ignore anyone who goes for personal attacks.

I would try to look at this differently. If you read up on all the details of the disease including where it came from, how contagious it is and what is like to die from if the worst came to the worst, then would you self isolate and want others to, for a short period of time, taking precautions not to catch it?

The government imposed it as a temp measure because young people were heading for the pubs.

The government has also intervened by providing financial grants and promising to buy up equipment and improve hospital facilities - this intervention is ok?

Yes we could have been far more instructive, and taken action sooner but the backlash would have been even greater. Like all things it is a balance, and the timing is critical.

And is exactly what the government said when they first announced the measures. That they had taken advice from behavioural scientists - clearly, as this thread and others show, the behavioural scientists were right, people will not consent to restrictions for very long.

Have you ever experienced grief, OP?

I can assure you that the mental health of the entire country would suffer much more grievously if the expected deaths are reached. Yours, mine and everyone else would be much worse off mentally if we lose loved one than being inside for a few weeks.

My DD was at school with a boy who died in a car accident. A few weeks later, his friend took his own life and at least two more attempted. Many dropped out, and all suffer daily with the consequences of these loses. I know a family who lost their son in tragic circumstances and their two remaining daughters are tormented by the grief every single day, their lives are consumed by it. I am acquainted with a family who lost their nine year old daughter two years ago and they are broken, literally shells of the individuals they were previously.

If you stop thinking of yourself and you current situation, you might have some perspective of the emotional consequences if you don't follow these regulations.

Essentially, the mental health decline you are experiencing now will seem trivial if you are confronted with the loss of a loved one. I know it's hard but please, protect OUR mental health by protecting our babies and our partners and our parents and siblings and friends, everyone we love.

Indeed and hopefully that is being considered by the state.

Human rights obviously have been removed - you just have read the regs to know that including your right to lave the house (unless you are homeless). www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/contents/made Whether it is justifiable is for everyone to form their own views and how long it will last will partly be determined based on how long families can survive without food or money and that kind of thing.

Right to life is the most important one surely?

I understand where you're coming from, OP. I think most of us get the necessity for this for now, but it's the precedent it sets which worries me

There's a sad history of authorities, once given a bit of extra power, not being keen to hand it back again, and although the vast majority of police do a brilliant job we're already seeing abuses from some

Hopefully this'll be over before habits get too entrenched and hopefully the overall common sense of the UK population will see us through

My human rights that have been taken away:

Ireland:

Nearly all shops/restaurants/public service buildings are closed. No libraries open - nowhere at all to go.
ALL public gatherings banned.
We can only exercise 2km from the house
There is talk of using police to control this.

It is an incredibly extreme reaction.

The numbers jsut don't add up to me.

17,000 people die of the flu every year in the UK, and they don't impose these strict measures

SilentTights I think it can be easy to imagine it was all 'pull together' but I suspect the turth was there was as much, or little, of it then as now. You beat me to it, the myths about WWII have now become "truth" the blackmarket was rife. I well remember my grandmother talking about it and how the rules were flouted where she lived, small town with lots of access to farms where for a price extras could be obtained.

I live alone. I’m a key worker at a school but not back for two and a half weeks now. I haven’t had human contact for a week. If this is going to go on for months I will probably find it hard at times.

But you know what? It’s temporary! And if we all stick to it, hopefully temporary will be even shorter! Loosing human rights forever? Of course we aren’t going to- that will break the economy, which is what the politicians are wanting to avoid as much as possible (because it impacts them the most but that’s a convo for another time) They want the world to be open again, they want torurists in, they want us to go back and forth and keep the pockets of Richard Branson and co nicely lined.

There isn’t even a food shortage, it’s just people buying it on mass that we haven’t coped with.

This is not forever, and it’s been a week! We will get through. Hopefully without too many people dead or in financial ruin at the end. No one is completely safe from either of these, me included. But we can reduce chances of the former drastically if we just put our own sense of “rights” second just this once and follow the rules. And the faster we all follow, and the better we do, the chance of less people going down the financial ruin route.

Bigger Picture Perspective is what I’m using to get by. Doesn’t stop me from being anxious, and I sometimes feel like we are all part of a big disaster movie too. But the bigger picture at the end is what keeps me from sinking.

Although restrictions in China were much tougher, there has been some relaxation throughout the lockdown (excluding Hubei) and I imagine something similar will happen here.
For example
Office workers in my city went back in 24th Feb
Takeaways were opened, then shut, then reopened
Quarantine between cities was enforced, but then relaxed
Non residents could not enter compounds, also relaxed a few weeks ago

On a more practical note op, you can join the food production industry, they are in dire need of more help. You could definitely then have some degree of normality, your human rights will not be afflicted and actually do something to help feed the nation.

I would go as far as to say anyone feeling too confined with too many restrictions should join the key workers keeping the country going. The food industry, supermarkets, NHS volunteers all need you. Most keyworkers are not worried about their human rights, they simply want to get home after long way without catching CV each night.

That’s another coffin we need then.

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Yes we could have been far more instructive, and taken action sooner but the backlash would have been even greater. Like all things it is a balance, and the timing is critical. I don't think many people would have been against stopping things like Crufts/Cheltenham Festival/music concerts. It isn't just timing is it, if they had stopped that sort of thing we might have had other freedoms for longer or fewer restrictions now.

I understand where you're coming from, OP. I think most of us get the necessity for this for now, but it's the precedent it sets which worries me Exactly this.

Honestly? You are being totally selfish. Its attitudes like yours that totally piss me off. Its not forever. The simple fact of the matter is, this virus is like Russian roulette. No one knows for sure how their body will react. The lock down isn't forever. Get over it. Find things to do. Enjoy being at home and try to make use of the time.
As for it all being a conspiracy, no. It isn't. My brother was rushed to hospital last Monday. He was critical. He has describe the hospital situation to me now he is in a ward and better. There are rooms across for him, they are stainless steel inside. He was wondering what they were. Small handles and locked. We are thinking they are individual rooms for the dead. Those infected.
You need to get a grip.