Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

If the virus infects 60% of UK population that's 39 million people. We currently have a rough death rate of 5% so 1.95 million people.

Surely the death rate depends very much on how well the health service is coping, hence trying to slow the spread so as not to overwhelm. There must be a 'true' death rate for the virus, ie. The percentage of people who die despite access to the best health are available, vs a death rate which comes when there aren't enough ventilators etc.

You do realise that WW2 was arguable the catalyst for the civil rights movement and was the catalyst for the Council of Europe (the sole purpose of which is to promote human rights and who helped draft the Human Rights Convention)? A really unfortunate analogy on your part, I think.

I'm well aware of that yes. Human rights didn't start with that. I agree it progressed alot after World War 2. But it wasn't the first legality defining rights of the population. It has also progressed since 1948 extensively.

My point was that these people have gone through far worse than this generation, they know the meaning of true hardship. Make do and mend, rationing, hiding in fallout shelters (none of which were infringing on their human rights, it was about survival) In my opinion they had a much more 'pull together' attitude than we do now. Mainly because they had to. I've seen none of them complaining about being hard done by in this situation. I find our generation to be very selfish at times. We haven't had to go through a national crisis like this. Instead of a 'pull together attitude', it's all panic buying, going out regardless and complaining about human rights. I'd gladly sacrifice elements of my human rights to save lives and keep my family safe. Wouldn't you?
I'm not against the human rights legislation, I just wish people would use their common sense. We do what we have to do in times of crisis. It's all for the greater good.

For most people, corona virus is a mild disease from which they recover quickly. The people who are at risk are the ones with underlying conditions and the aged. These people are at risk anyway from the flu and even the common cold

Please, can someone explain calmly and clearly, because I just can not reply to this post in a cordial manner.
How many more young, healthy people do we actually need to lose before this kind of misinformation is finally filtered out.

Adding to my previous post, if we do nothing to combat the virus and the nhs is overrun we will be paying for that for decades to come when people can't access basic healthcare. Is it really worth it? If you feel overwhelmed at the moment try to focus on a new hobby or skill, or why not volunteer to call people who are vulnerable or deliver food parcels to the elderly?

nollett so you are not going to share your nursing experience with us?

What would you have done differently?

How about -
Prepared for a pandemic, as we had been warned to do years previously

Heeded the warning signs from China and started to ensure we had test kits and PPE and more NHS staff months before

Sent out a far more serious message about social distancing far earlier.
Closed schools far earlier, as we were being advised to do
Stop flights coming in from affected areas

That's a whole list of measures not taken, I'm sure there's far more.

How many more young, healthy people do we actually need to lose before this kind of misinformation is finally filtered out

You mean the misinformation that came from the Chief Medical Advisors? I think it is up them to filter that out.

little You only need to read through this thread to see the reaction to understand that closing schools earlier, and stopping flights etc earlier would have had. People are struggling with the concept now, I can only imagine the outcry had we started earlier!!!!

Yes we could have been far more instructive, and taken action sooner but the backlash would have been even greater. Like all things it is a balance, and the timing is critical.

We are all in this together. Everyone has their struggles.

Be kind works both ways. It’s not an excuse to express horrible sentiments and then complain being aren’t being kind when you’re called up on it either.

In my opinion they had a much more 'pull together' attitude than we do now.

I think this might just be rose tinted glasses, tbh. Crime rose by a massive amount during the Blitz, for example (robberies, rape, murder all up by more than 50%).

Homes hit by bombs were looted of valuables.

Doctors accepted bribes to sign people off sick when they weren't.

People scammed the compensation scheme, claiming to have been bombed several times when they hadn't been. Profiteering and business fraud also increased dramatically.

I think it can be easy to imagine it was all 'pull together' but I suspect the turth was there was as much, or little, of it then as now.

Some really nasty responses on here telling OP to fuck off and grow up.

People have a right to feel scared, people have a right to feel they are being controlled (we are being controlled). OP didn’t say she was going to break the rules and go have a party? I’m sure we all feel scared, confused, controlled and anxious. No one knows what will happen over the coming weeks or months which is a pretty worrying thing. Instead of telling people to grow up maybe be a little understanding. People do need to calm down a bit and stop being so horrible to others, we are all in this together.

For most people, corona virus is a mild disease from which they recover quickly.

Correct.

The people who are at risk are the ones with underlying conditions and the aged.

No. The ones who are most at risk are the ones with underlying conditions (and being a smoker is classed as 'an underlying condition' for context) and the aged.

This does not mean that there is no risk to young, healthy people. Just that the risk of serious illness or death is a lot lower.

There are no human rights really. Just things we mostly agree ought to be. The universe doesn't care and nor do viruses.

I get that people are unhappy, but when people say (speaking generally not just this thread) that "they can't do that to me" they forget that we agreed the government could do what needed to be done when we voted them in. Even the people voting for the other party accepted that 'a' government would be making the decisions.

If some people were able to put their human rights to one side and do as they were asked because they understood it was for the good of society as a whole, then the government wouldn't have to forcibly remove rights like they have.

Yeah I do think that some people are absolutely revelling in the opportunity to be able to tell others to call others pathetic and ridiculous and tell them to grow up and get a grip etc.

YetAnotherSpartacus Thank you. My best wishes to your Mum and you too.

Whilst this is for the health of the nation I think we need to be really vigilant that these rules don't become normalised and that they are swiftly removed when the need passes.

The extra powers government has given itself need to have a close eye kept on them. 'It's for your own good' can become really authoritarian really quickly.

Society in this country is based on consensus, and the current consensus is that we protect all lives, not just the young, and we give everyone a chance to survive the virus with proper healthcare.

There will be a few that will not agree, that feel their personal rights and freedoms are more important than anything or anyone else, but fortunately for us they are in the minority. You only have to look outside to see that people are taking this very seriously, and most see the sense in just getting on with it (no matter the personal sacrifice or hardship)

The thing that worries me most is that we are nowhere near the peak, we are in this for the long run, and one way or another we have to pull each other through.

Would you prefer the labour party to undermine the national effort to keep people safe?

Yes, I would have liked them to have asked much more searching questions relating to why our testing was behind, why we had so few ventilators and didn't call for more until last week (!), why we were out of step with other nations in terms of social distancing, where the 'Science' was that they kept going on about which was then all thrown out the window, why they can't stop it spreading in their own environment etc etc.

Yes, cross-party coalitions are not necessary IMO in this situation because the Labour party are not able to mobilize politically or economically the things we need right now; they need to challenge as well as support.

I was for an earlier lockdown anyway, because it might have headed off the peak a bit better.

You don't have to be confined to your house for the next 6 months. You could volunteer to work in a hospital with a load of ill people who would prefer not to be in a situation where their lives are controlled.

Can I just pipe up and say that old(er) people and those with underlying conditions are equally as valuable as younger and 'healthy' people?

Yanoo human rights do not discriminate and all.

nearly the analysis can take place afterwards, this is not the moment to be analysing what we could have done better, we need to get on with ordering more beds/ventilators etc and save people's lives. The opposition thankfully realised that everyone would need to pull together to help our country weather this kind of crisis.

You save lives first, you talk about improvements later.

Good point biscuit I am sure the NHS would be glad of any help they can get right now.

Your human rights have not been taken away - there's a temporary restriction on freedom of movement with the aim of keeping society healthy and not over-burdening the NHS.

I understand you're struggling and you have my sympathy because it's not an easy situation, but your human rights are being protected, not taken away. Take this opportunity to become more adaptable, resilient, mentally stronger. If your mental health is struggling, are you doing everything you can do to help that? Daily video calls with friends, home workouts, something creative every day like drawing or writing? A victim mindset is only going to harm you. Focus on what you do have control over, and work on those things.