Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

This is the part in a disaster film when one of the ordinary people loses it and starts screaming. The hero then slaps them and they're fine...

For 10 minutes, when they fall off the thing, get crushed by falling burning beam, or eaten by a dinosaur.

80 years ago my duty would have been to go to war and face bullets and bombs. Today it's to stay indoors and watch box sets and drink tea.

*@Soph7777

I'm a person that hates being controlled, told what to do (working reason) or restricted.

I appreciate that you are angry and frightened, do you think you might be able to focus on how you are helping other people?

My DM is in her 90s and all her life has hated being controlled, restricted or told what to do. Yet, As a child she was locked away from her family in a TB sanitarium for months. As a teenager during World War II she endured rationing, air-raids and many, many restrictions on her freedoms.

She now has Coronavirus, she is isolated and being cared for by hospital staff in protective gear. I can’t visit her, so I can only imagine what it must be like for a confused, frail, elderly lady to be ending her life in a way that mirrors the hated TB sanatorium where she was once a frightened child.

Her generation gave up so much for my generation and yours. I’m sure you can manage a few weeks at home.

Instead of questioning others, why don't you share with us your experiences on the front line as a senior nurse? T
hat may be far more helpful to the thread than name calling, I for one would be extremely interested to hear your take on this thread and tell us how it really is in our hospitals. You have something powerful to share I assume.

cornishdreams1 you are clearly the expert though 🤷🏻‍♀️

You have not lost your human rights. You have been protected.

You are allowed to stay home. You are allowed to buy food. You are allowed to excercise.

You are just feeling down. Just like me! It's normal. You are naturally missing friends, family and life.

First world problem here...... I never had a holiday as a kid. 3 years ago aged 27 we had a coastal holiday in Dorset with our daughter. The year after we took our new baby and daughter. Last year we took the kids again. This year we can't go. We cancelled it two weeks ago. The one week a year we get to be truly "free" of chores, work and routine. Yes we have Christmas and days out but that still involves cooking, cleaning, the tidying, rushing about etc. I did feel disheartened for a few days. But I've rebooked it for next April! We've all got to keep going. Treat it as a period of rest. Treat is as protection.

I don't know how any of us will feel after all this. I can imagine for a while people will still feel scared. People won't want to eat out, touch ATM machines, go on buses, go in arcades, libaries, clubs, pubs, museums, shops etc. But in a couple more years from now I'm sure we will all be our old selves again and holidaying, working, going to shows and cinemas, eating out etc. It will take time. But I don't think for one minute the government wants to control us with this.

They never threw money into the NHS before. It's been on its knees for years. Maternity services cut to the bone, a&e services shut everywhere. Gp surgeries barely able to offer an appointment anymore. Not enough beds, ambulances, theatres, or staff! Training schools have also shut down... There was a nursing school at my local hospital ten years ago. It's gone now! Suddenly now they can pay 80% wages, pay for special hospitals to be built and more ventilators. I want to know why the NHS was never pumped with the money it has desperately needed before?

nollett I am not an expert, I am not nursing people that are sick with coronavirus and other life threatening illnesses.

'don't want to be a troublemaker or sound like that's what I'm being but I really feel like I'm living in a movie that I didn't ask to be cast in'

YABU op as do you think anybody asked for this?

If I read any more aggressive and mean-spirited, vulgar replies i'm just going to start reporting them

Wow you are going to be busy!!!

We know that this is absolutely the essential thing to do to save lives, and thankfully the majority of people are being very compliant

I agree completely

Of course there are issues

Yes, and people are allowed to talk about those, that was the whole point of mumsnet. People complain, its perfectly normal

There have been a few posts on here which have disagreed with sophie and have suggested, nicely, things she could try for her mental Health

And regarding the ‘feels like I’m in a movie’...one of my children has used this analogy to describe how their mental health issues feel, so its a little bit of a sign for me

'But whereas new strains of flu can kill fit young people, the normal flu strains don't.'

They do (or, perhaps more accurately, their complications do). It's very, very rare - rarer than the already rare deaths in this group of people (young and fit) from coronavirus -, but saying they categorically don't is not the case.

I mean 'it's not the case that they categorically don't'. Or 'saying that they categorically don't is inaccurate'.

I don't trust this government, I don't like the way they tried to exclude the media from questioning them (that went well didn't it? They want to be on BBC and Channel 4 now.)

I agree with this completely. One of the shocking things to me is just how poorly the government was held to account early on. I had the misfortune to see parliamentary questions to Matt Hancock one day and they were pathetic, the amount of grovelling to him and 'we all want to help/cross party support' and 'think of poor Nadine' was embarrassing. There have been huge government failures of preparedness (and now we know they practised for this two years ago and knew it would be a shit show but then didn't put any money into solving that), communication is terrible (lost email to procure ventilators, really? even a gov't minister admitted there had been a miscommunication) and they have not been able to organize either PPE properly (it is only coming fully in THIS WEEK after so many NHS staff will already have become vectors for the disease) or proper testing. Germany are testing 120,000 odd a week, us, well, not so many.

So- there is a lot to be critical about. We do need better and more robust mechanisms for holding government to account- they actually didn't appear for the first few days and kept sending out Chris Whitty instead to tell us to wash our hands. The irony is they all got corona themselves which is appalling given they could have tracked and traced all Nadine and other people in Westminster's contacts properly early on, and done social distancing/WFH more themselves.

So, I hope that when the time comes to relax police and gov't powers (which have increased, they are not just guidance), it will also be pushed forward and scrutinised heavily.

Government control to save your life, your parents lives and your babies life? Get a grip. It's hard for all of us but rather that than die.

Do people seriously still not understand the purpose of this lockdown? It is not 'to stop us all from dying'. This virus is not 'going to kill us all'.

The lockdown is to slow the spread of the virus so that the health service can cope with the small minority of people who will need hospitalisation and ventilation etc. If we just let this spread then loads of extra people will die, simply because they won't be able to access the hospital treatment they needed because, even with a small minority, the numbers would just be too high. And it will also save people who need hospital treatment totally unrelated to CV and ensure they can access treatment as well.

Loads of us are going to get this, quite a few of us have already got it/had it, some of us won't even know we had it. I'm not denying the severity of it - we have all had it in my house and my DH has particularly suffered with it, although hasn't required hospitalisation - but this lockdown is not to protect the majority of the population.

It would be good if during the next pandemic if we could set up helplines for those struggling with the mental health implications of lockdowns and restrictions etc. Trained professionals to help those in most need.

Given how quickly this virus arrived, we had no time to put anything in place, the new hospitals and morgues are of course much more important.
It would be helpful for people to have someone to call when they are feeling overwhelmed and struggling that can offer help. We have other helplines that we could use in the meantime though, maybe not specialising on coronavirus but at least available.

YANBU op, it’s all feels so odd, a couple weeks ago we were all going about our normal life, basically doing as we wish and now suddenly the government are in control of our movements, the police are outside stopping people that attempt to go anywhere they are not meant to be going (they are here anyway), I seriously thought this would never happen here as I live in a very rural area, I have seen cars being pulled over outside my house. I haven’t been out for 2 weeks now due to possibly having the virus and being too scared to pop to the shop incase I was contagious, I’m now 7 days from when I came down with it and i still don’t want to pop out in fear I will get stopped, I can’t walk to a shop from here, I have to drive. I may go for a walk later but have mainly been getting fresh air in the garden.

Watching the news makes me feel like I’m living in a nightmare, the empty streets and stories of people braking ‘the rules’, I now only watch the news once a day at 5pm because it’s so depressing.

I can cope staying in, I’m sure most of us can but it does feel like we no longer have control of our lives.

I am following the rules and guidelines, maybe a little too much and will continue to do so but I can’t see people sticking to this for months, some are really going to struggle.

Think about the future. If we give up now and go back to normal the NHS will be completely outrun, thousands of doctors and nurses being infected and killed by the virus, not enough staff and equipment to go round so no cancer treatment, no treatments for asthma, diabetes, epilepsy etc. If the virus infects 60% of UK population that's 39 million people. We currently have a rough death rate of 5% so 1.95 million people.

@Al1Langdownthecleghole I am so sorry about your Gran. I can't imagine how awful this must be for her. It's my nightmare because my Mum who is in a home is in a very high-risk category. All the best to your Gran. .

Our human rights are a deeply precious thing. But, for me, now, I totally agree with the restrictions in place. This is a life and death thing.
What would you do if it was up to you OP?
Just leave people to do as they wish?
I have friends and family - like everyone, who have pre existing conditions. That includes young people, children, and more elderly. Without measures in place, those people are significantly more likely to die.
Imagine being a mum to a child with an autoimmune disease, or going through cancer treatment. Imagine being a doctor or a nurse KNOWING you do not have the facilities to treat everyone, and knowing you risk your own life by being exposed to so many ill people. However awful the situation is now with these measures, imagine for a second what it would be without them.
For me, they’re necessary, so yes, we all hate our freedom being restricted, but there’s not a lot of point moaning about it. My sympathy is with the people risking themselves to help - nurses, doctors, hospital workers, and all those still working to provide essential services and food. And with those losing jobs, livelihoods, and businesses.

Riot against what? The government trying to save peoples lives? To stop selfish people wandering about willy nilly with not a care in the world who they infect?

One of the shocking things to me is just how poorly the government was held to account early on

What would you have done differently? Would you prefer the labour party to undermine the national effort to keep people safe? Cross party consensus is vital in times of grave crisis, and given the sheer magnitude of this situation, any other course of action would have endangered the lives of the population.

I agree with you OP. I think there is hidden agenda behind all this. Even the tests are misleading: www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781

For most people, corona virus is a mild disease from which they recover quickly. The people who are at risk are the ones with underlying conditions and the aged. These people are at risk anyway from the flu and even the common cold.

Those who think human rights are a secondary and far less important consideration might want to muse on this: The ''right to life'' has already been taken from a number of Italians aged 60 upwards. They might have reasonably expected that they would receive appropriate hospital treatment when and if they ever needed it. Many would have paid into the system all their working lives. Sure, a ventilator might not have saved them. But their families will never know. And those people will probably never 'get back to normal'.

We currently have a rough death rate of 5% so 1.95 million people

Please go do some reading.

@CatteStreet I know about flu complications, I had pneumonia last year, which was scary, but treatable with antibiotics. As a result, I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I was 49 years old, though, I didn't go through thar as a young adult, although I still caught it.

I think what's happening with COVID-19 is that a fair number are developing serious symptom and even dying. Medics are risk in a way that they don't from flu.

The main difference is that there isn't any kind of vaccine for COVID-19.

The glib comment 'it's just flu' isn't about flu being serious too, though, it's usually made by those who think the flu is simply a bad cold and don't take it seriously. (Just a sniffle accordionists to the President of Brazil.)

I initially posted on this thread and said this

“I have no problems with the new guidelines / temporary laws but I DO have problems with the police treating the general public aggressively and scaring young kids while out on their daily walk (which is allowed!)”.

Now since I have posted that I have just been stopped for “not looking like a key worker” and questioned why I’m out.

Scrubs are at the hospital. I think the police have gone too far.

That’s literally all I wanted to share.

Police should be targeting groups (or whatever) and they should practise the social distancing guidelines (they don’t)

So now I’m starting my shift at the hospital not knowing if the policeman who stood too close to me had coronavirus or not.

Have a lovely day everyone