Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

This is not a human rights argument. Your right to enjoy life falls way below my right to live.

If worrying about human rights is not important then where does worrying about people worrying about human rights rank, I wonder.

I would like the government to be even stricter. Totally stop all the idiots going out for a nice picnic, having a party for 20 people or whatever.

Most people have only been at home for ONE WEEK! One bloody week not one year. Most people can still go out to exercise, to buy food etc.

Most people have food and running water in their homes. Most also have internet, tv, radio, books or a kindle and quite likely other things to keep them amused.

I am sick and tired of the moaning like it's some terrible hardship. Go out then but if you catch don't expect treatment

*Lots of highly educated and qualified (much more so than the average mumsnetter) human rights barristers are up in arms about this.

Both the government and the police will be in a lot of trouble soon*

All the barristers I know completely understand the situation, and are currently working from home and trying to get an ocado slot, with little success one might add.

sorry op if this is more about the loss & missing the society we used to live in I do understand - I miss really seeing & being with my family - zoom etc is good but its not the same - it would be lovely to just get in the car & go shopping or meeting up with family on a visit or go anywhere

Exactly. It was DD1's 11th birthday and she was gutted not to be having a birthday treat (we'd promised to take her ice skating. We did our best and family and friends video called her, her cousins played with her on roblox and we had a zoom party with my DM, my DSis and DBIL and DNiece and DNephews.

It was sad that she couldn't leave the house, but we still made the best of it. I hid my own sadness from DD1, but I've always loved organising parties and birthday treats/sleepovers for my DDs.

This is not a human rights argument

It's not an argument at all - or at least it needn't have been. It was one person expressing their concern with the way the governement was having to handle the current state of the country. Not disagreeing with them - in fact expressly agreeing that the actions were to save lives - but saying they still found the change of freedoms to be the scariest element about this, for them. The bit they were personally struggling with the most.

That, surely, is not so much of a 'crime'?

All the barristers I know oh please

nollett Some people are incredibly short sighted it seems.

nollett Do you think we all work in Tescos express??

There won't be a rebellion, the people of Northern Ireland lived under the thumb of the 'security forces' for 30 years. People soon fall into line when you put armed police and soldiers in their neighbourhoods.
I don't think the majority of the UK population have any clue of what our government is capable of if they deem it necessary.

Most people have only been (reading these threads) for ONE WEEK! One bloody week not one year. Most people can still (read other threads, start their own, go to another website) etc.

Most people have (access to other mn threads) in their homes. Most also have internet, tv, radio, books or a kindle and quite likely other things to keep them amused.

I am sick and tired of the moaning (about the moaning) like it's some terrible hardship (to actively click on a thread and read something that you know will irritate you).

*I was born when there was still rationing, I know what it is like to live with far lower expectations than people have now. I know what it is like to live in back to back housing with a shared toilet at the top of the yard, freezing cold houses, bomb building sites as our playgrounds and I can cope with all that but when this is over I want my freedom back, I don't trust this government, I don't like the way they tried to exclude the media from questioning them (that went well didn't it? They want to be on BBC and Channel 4 now.) I don't like the way they prorogued parliament to get their own way, I don't like the idea that judicial appointments might become political.

I've been self isolating since before the lockdown, I don't find it that difficult but it doesn't mean I'm not entitled to worry about the future.*

Hear hear.

cornishdreams1 whats wrong with working in Tesco Express? Bit insulting to those who do!

There’s more to life than Tesco Express and being a barrister

No riots will happen. It has not hit home yet. It will get to a point that many will have it .Once they know someone who has got it and or died or hospitalised from it they will see it in a different light. Once the morgue they have opened in Birmingham airport starts to fill up, people will stop moaning. For most, the virus is only on the news, it’s not that real yet. For me, it hit home when a relative who works in icu in Italy told us crying he can’t save people they dropping like flies, triaging people to save those who have a bigger chance in survival and letting the others go. Like war time. He said he has never seen anything like this in his life . Please everyone stay at home.

ping We lived in London during the riots, and that offered a very good insight into crowd dispersement techniques.
I doubt we will see this kind of thing with coronavirus, even stupid people generally want to stay alive.

Far rather this than living in the US with a president who has put economy and votes over human life. The Stats of infection/deaths over there aren’t pleasant reading.

Everyone is suffering in some way. Do you know anyone who doesn’t feel scared, anxious, restless and totally thrown off course? I don’t. But we just need to do it. The consequences of not doing this are too great. There’s not much to be gained by starting a thread about human rights when that’s not the issue at hand.

Soph7777 you need to grow up and see the bigger picture.

nollett You should probably avoid making sweeping judgements.

Rhia You are most definitely right. At the moment the war zone footage coming out of Italy and Spain looks like it is happening elsewhere. When we start seeing these kind of scenes coming out of our own local hospitals, and worst case scenarios happening to the people around us, we will probably see an end to threads like this (one would hope)

Freedom is overrated
I have a good friend who fled Libya after Gadaffi was deposed. He said that under Gadaffi life could be dangerous if you opposed him but he and his family had electricity, a house, food and water and weren’t at risk from bombs or extremists. He says that democracy and freedom and great but being alive is better.
Obviously we shouldn’t have to choose between the 2 but if I lose some freedom or rights for a while to stay safe then that’s ok with me.
The vast majority of people in this country are spoilt and have pretty easy lives compared to a lot of people in other countries. We haven’t experienced true poverty or oppression (and hopefully we never will)

If I read any more aggressive and mean-spirited, vulgar replies i'm just going to start reporting them.
We know that this is absolutely the essential thing to do to save lives, and thankfully the majority of people are being very compliant.
Of course there are issues. Cancer patients' operations are being postponed. Some people will not be able to make ends meet. Not everybody is with their 'immediate family', not at all. Many people are alone without a soul to talk to.
Antenatal appointments are being shelved, maternity wards closed (I have a friend who is pregnant).
Soon enough people will need to go to the optician, the dentist, will need routine operations etc.
It's not all about not being able to go to a restaurant or for a drink.

There are some very precious people on here, aren't there?

Deal with it.

I wonder how you'd fare under martial law.

I’m a nurse. I’m allowed a walk in the countryside near my home and my hospital.

Get over yourselves