Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

cornishdreams what should we do about the starvation, though? You do realise that this threatens far more lives than coronavirus?

I feel that every time I wake up ,it was a bad dream! Honestly no one welcomes restrictions on their movements .But what should the Govt do then ?leave us all to mingle and spread this disease far and wide ? Or try to curb it so we dont have massive pressure on our NHS .Would you like to be a Doctor or Nurse ATM ,worried about being ill while helping others to recover .I am sure they would be happy to change places with you!Sometimes things are beyond our control ,and we have to trust those in power to make difficult decisions and curtail our freedom for th common good!

@woolflower that sounds so hard, I temper the importance of just getting out somewhere every day , even though it was a long time ago! And the nice things like chatting with people who admire your baby 😃.

Like you, I am also shocked by the total whipping away of all of the things that were lauded as so important, and clinic appointments and contacts and even things like how we deal with the big things in life.

Try to keep going. There’s a bit of positive news this morning in that infections are slowing so hopefully no extension to the three weeks.

Human Rights must work with Social Responsibilities. These are 2 equal & balanced factors - which is why freedom of speech (for instance) should always be judged & disallowed if the individual causes harm to others in society by orchestrating hate acts or by putting forward false information which can endanger others. This present situation is to safeguard the whole of society & has no political aspect - some people have no social responsibility (I am not suggesting op comes into this category) & excuse all their actions by saying "its my human rights" for the most facetious or selfish reasons. (I am not talking about genuine cultural or religious reasons please note)

Iwalkinmyclothing - absolutely

Such a nasty thread :(

It’s a shame people can’t read basic facts and see another point of view and discuss - literally the point of having websites such as Mumsnet.

I think people acknowledge that action needs to be taken but that doesn’t mean it’s easy for everyone or that they are a whinging snowflake for being upset.

Please, please could everyone be kinder?

The living need to be thought about...

D'what? If you mean you should be allowed out and about, even if that means people will die as a result of your behaviour - are you for real.

Stop putting this in terms of rights. Basic human rights (like the right to live) come with obligations. We now have very clear obligations to protect the most vulnerable in society.

I am truly aghast at the selfishness i see on this website. The UK and US are going to be a shit shows. And it is this sort of exceptionalism and selfishness, evident at the personal and political level, at fault.

I am so happy to have left the UK. I thought the lack of common good couldnt become more apparent than brexit. I was wrong.

To be fair. They haven’t yet. They are government guidelines. They have shut most places and have ASKED you to only go out for essentials like food, medical reasons and exercise. Regardless of what anyone says on here there’s actually no limit as to the number of times you can go out or what is deemed essential really and yes you can drive to go for exercise, that’s the police making up their own rules, it is NOT the law, the government have never stated that in their official census. If this thing becomes marital law and the army are outside then yeh there will be actual laws you have to follow but right now there are not so stay in as much as poss but don’t feel like you can’t drive to the shop if you want to get some bits (wear gloves, keep the distance from people) then go home. Or go for a walk. Whenever you want! There is NO LAW TO STAY INSIDE. It is a guideline .. they are ASKING you . If the police stop you just say you are going out for essential shopping. And if they say you can’t drive to have a walk tell them it says NOWHERE on the official government guidelines that this is true. Just to let you know!

iwalk It is not being lost, this is the very point. It is being suspended for a short period of time.

Marg You know as well as I do that coronavirus will savage Africa, and even more people will die not just from starvation and the virus but the economic collapse of such fragile countries. It will be a unmitigated disaster for third world countries that have little or no defence, no ventilators or ICU options, no doctors or access to antivirals.

I am worried for Africa, and India.

I can’t believe there are still idiots comparing this to flu 🙄

I can understand why people might react aggressively to complaints about the current restrictions: in addition to concerns about loved ones who are at risk, they are making sacrifices which are being undermined by those who spread the disease which will ultimately result in everyone facing stricter restrictions for longer. It's slightly similar to group punishment.

Why is the OP part of the problem if she's sticking to the rules and her only 'crime' is having a bit of a moan on an internet forum? Can't wait to see AIBU once this whole thing blows over, people will never be able to complain about anything ever again because it's not Covid-19.

I think the reason people havent been as supportive as they would usually is the theme , this isnt a post saying how a posters MH is suffering this is a post about human rights being violated and they might not potentially get back to normal (which isnt something we need to consider) yes everyone's struggling but to me the human rights argument is void as we r not being locked in our houses like other places and the goverment of course is going to let us go back to normal after its bizarre to suggest other wise. And if anyone riots they deserve to be shot or not given medical treatment if they catch the virus with the damage they will cause, physical and passing on the virus. Its about perspective

@Soph7777
"I know people are dying and it's very sad.
That Doesn't mean we discard the human rights and mental well-being of the living"

FFS. So what's your genius solution to your above statement? Genuinely, please answer my question.

1000's are dying and you're worried about how restrictions impacts on your human rights - wow.

*Such a nasty thread sad

It’s a shame people can’t read basic facts and see another point of view and discuss - literally the point of having websites such as Mumsnet.*

Totally this. So many people lack the basic ability for debate - resorting only to insults and swearing when someone doesn't have the same point of view. It's too black and white - either you are totally 100% comfortable with everything the government is doing or you are killing the vulnerbale. No inbetween allowed here.

I agree. I don’t know how much longer this can carry on

Hmmm. The nation as a whole has been asked to stay home, have a bit of a walk once a day and go to the shops as we need to for what, a week or so now?

Millions have been cowering in Syrian basements for over 7 years, shot at by snipers when their empty bellies force them out.

Maybe order in a few crossword books, pop BBC Sounds on and work on a sense of perspective.

sorry op if this is more about the loss & missing the society we used to live in I do understand - I miss really seeing & being with my family - zoom etc is good but its not the same - it would be lovely to just get in the car & go shopping or meeting up with family on a visit or go anywhere -

I make no apologies for use of swearing or harsh replies.

Every. Single.day. I am seeing more & more of you moaning about the same shit....fed up...human rights been taken away... government controlling us ... YAWN.

I don't see any posts where you are thankful for what you do have, which is a home to retreat to, access to internet & technology to pass the time.

Some may call my responses a pile on & unnecessary but 🤷‍♀️ read up on what's going on outside of your living room !

Every. Single.day. I am seeing more & more of you moaning about the same shit.

Every single day I see more and more of you moaning about the people moaning.

If worrying about human rights is not important then where does worrying about people worrying about human rights rank, I wonder.

Have a look at Twitter Op.

Lots of highly educated and qualified (much more so than the average mumsnetter) human rights barristers are up in arms about this.

Both the government and the police will be in a lot of trouble soon.

I think people need to look at the bigger picture now, yes it’s really tough I feel stressed too but it’s the absolute right thing to stay in and save lives even if that is imposed on us . I don't think anyone on here is saying we don't need the rules now, what worries many of us is the risk in the future, in fact "seeing the bigger picture."

Does it worry you that some people are so gleeful about "policing" their neighbours, making judgements, telling people they shouldn't be including chocolate in their shopping, that they don't need milk? I think their is a risk to future freedom, fine if you don't, fine if you haven't thought about it.

I was born when there was still rationing, I know what it is like to live with far lower expectations than people have now. I know what it is like to live in back to back housing with a shared toilet at the top of the yard, freezing cold houses, bomb building sites as our playgrounds and I can cope with all that but when this is over I want my freedom back, I don't trust this government, I don't like the way they tried to exclude the media from questioning them (that went well didn't it? They want to be on BBC and Channel 4 now.) I don't like the way they prorogued parliament to get their own way, I don't like the idea that judicial appointments might become political.

I've been self isolating since before the lockdown, I don't find it that difficult but it doesn't mean I'm not entitled to worry about the future.

mascotte I do feel we should be very cautious about false optimism. In three weeks time the most likely scenario is further restrictions for at least another three weeks. We will not even see the peak until the 12th of April.

Maybe we should be preparing mentally for what is to come, if we are finding it difficult, researching way to feel better/get support. It could cause more harm if we feel that we only have to manage another two weeks, and then for this goal post to change. The deputy medical officer suggested up to six months yesterday. I hope this is unlikely, but we can't pretend this is going to be super short and all over soon, because surely that will be very crushing for those that are banking on the end date.

@bunnie1234 - I like a good conspiracy theory don't get me wrong, they're useful to pass the time but if AJ suddenly announced that he believed the world was round I'd be questioning it. I've had more compelling and thought provoking arguments from my 7 year old 🤣

Where are all these "totalitarian societies" that we're being compared to? Put down the dystopian novels and look at what's going on in the real world FGS.

Do I want to lose my freedom? No. Do I sympathise with the OP? Yes.

Human rights are a balance, they always have been. You can do what you want IF it doesn't negatively affect other people. The government dictating what we can/can't do isn't a new thing, this is just a new (and temporary) way of doing things.

this isnt a post saying how a posters MH is suffering

Isn't it?

"I know it's for a good cause.
I know it's to save lives.
But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.
I find this part most of all the scariest.
I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent."

Seems to me like a thread about someone who appreciates the lockdown rules are necessary but is mentally struggling with them.