Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Not sure I feel like my human rights have been taken away from me, but I do feel like I'm being imprisoned and tortured.

Mentally I was struggling due to a difficult pregnancy and birth last year, plus having a baby with medical issues. I'd put mechanisms in place to mentally get by; family helping out, seeing specialists for my child, making sure I was going out each day, trying to achieve small wins like going to a baby group and starting therapy. These little things allowed me to cope when it would have been so easy to lock myself in my house and spiral downwards. But every single one of them has been taken away, cold turkey.

I'm 6 days in, I think I'll survive 3 weeks, but if it goes on any longer than that I'm worried I'll get back to suicidal stage with no way to clawing myself back out.

The staying at home is one thing, it's tough but possibly manageable, maybe not for 12 weeks though. But the cancelling of appointments, it's like the duty of care the government has for my child's condition and my mental health has been thrown out of the window in place of the duty of care for Cornavirus victims.

This feeling of despair is only multiplied by people telling me I'm selfish. I already feel selfish and hate myself for it. I want to do everything I can to get the country past this with as few deaths as possible but I also need to survive.

Marg That is not correct, we have never had such a life threatening disease that was so infectious in modern times. The last known case was the Spanish flu in 1918.

We are still working to keep women and children safe, they will still be protected, the same as before. Some courts have closed, but most are open and carrying on as normal. For the moment, we have not seen a spike in cases just yet.

Have you not paid attention to these very forums? I've seen two DV threads in the last 24h where the OP attributes the escalation of abuse to the lockdown.

@Xenia my workplace have given us covering letters and we have been issued with new ID cards (our old ones are a security risk so we can't usually bring them home) which are to be carried with us on our commute to/from work as a permit.

The police here are stopping people occasionally but have been happy to look and let us go on our way easy enough. We've been instructed to call our boss and pass the phone to the police or go home if they object.

Might be worth seeing if you can get something like that for peace of mind?

I am quite embarrassed to be part of this generation. Find me a world war 2 survivor who endured far worse restrictions than us who were banging on about their '"human rights". That's right, I can't imagine you would find one.

Yes, everything's relative and you can only go on what you know and your own experiences but let's have a bit of perspective here. Yes this is hard but it's for a bloody good reason. Let's not forget the end game here.

The alternative is to go out, and potentially kill yourself, your loved ones and random people around you or make them seriously ill. On the whole, I'd prefer not to.

This.

OP this should put things into perspective for you....read this about India.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-52081396

What about all the poor people here. That can no longer leave their home to earn money for food. They won't have access to the medical supplies we have I.e NHS should they fall ill, they will probably die a horrible death. They don't have TV's or internet, or a luxury home to retreat to.

I'm truly fucked off sick to the teeth of hearing you all moaning with no regard for others in poorer parts of the world.

Man up. Stop being so whiney. And be thankful that this isn't you living in one of these poorer countries.

@Bluewavescrashing oh no! I saw a documentary about the hospitals in Syria that’s truly awful. Doctors trying to save the children’s lives and babies being born where there was bombs dropping over head. Now this virus for them, this has made me cry 😢

I am quite embarrassed to be part of this generation.

Yes, the ME ME ME generation.

And it's much easier to say, and police, no , than to have conditional allowances

Yes I think this is the main point. This is why the countries in stricter lockdown had to tighten it up. They started off like us. And the same things happened so they brought in stricter measures. No one wants this.

wool can you speak to your GP and arrange for some face time counselling and support? Some counsellors are still seeing patients in person, maybe this is still possible.

Could you join babyclubs on line so you can still connect with others? What are you doing to safeguard your mental health during this period? In the same way you placed 'little things' to help you through at the beginning when your baby was born, now need to be done again on a smaller scale at home. This lockdown will end in the not too distant future, and when it does you and your baby can safely go back to doing what you were doing before. It will pass.

@Frangipanini

Me too. Awfully embarrassed.

It's all ME ME ME ME

Actually, lottieloop, a more critical analysis of the lockdown might reveal that people in the third world are going to suffer mightily as a result of the first world's lockdown. Already aid agencies are reporting that the economic contraction has put them in grave danger of starvation and death.

We're all going to suffer, none so much as the poorest of the poor, in the absence of a sober analysis of this tradeoff.

OP, please ignore these nasty, aggressive replies, they aren't deserved. Please don't take them to heart, it's not acceptable to be spoken to and piled on like that.

Have you not paid attention to these very forums? I've seen two DV threads in the last 24h where the OP attributes the escalation of abuse to the lockdown

I am paying attention to the actual cases, I have also supported those looking for advice on forums.

Why do people need to use so many swear words and horrible words like twat to get points across ?!

The only thing that will be worse than CV here, is CV in Africa.

There was a time when I would have said 'man up'. But not now.

Woolflower, it sounds like to me that you are being positively heroic.

You have mentioned a difficult pregnancy, you have mentioned putting support in place for yourself which must have taken an enormous amount of courage. You have mentioned having felt really low in the past and struggling with your mental health.

Please know you have the greatest of respect from someone for all that. You have respect from me.

It is really tough when existing support structures seem to fall apart. Mind have too, not the same as yours, and although we understand too well, it is due to the virus, it is going to take time to create new ones.

Mumsnet could be very important here. Don't take any notice of the people who criticise others. They are having a bad day, and they haven't been where you are and where you have been. Just ignore them. Just because you haven't lived in an area where bombs are dropping doesn't mean you haven't suffered.

And you are positively heroic for posting on here, it can be a bit fierce, genuinely think some people don't think twice how their words can impact on others. Because it is anonymous and unless they are overtly hateful, racist etc they don't get reported. Ignore them.

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Tbh, some of these entitled posters remind me of my DDs of 11 and 8 when they complain, 'It's not fair' because they're not getting their own way. DD2 in particular can be very stubborn.

But they're able to understand that we're doing it so that we don't get ill. The lockdown only happened because so many people didn't take any notice when it was only advice.

The only thing that will be worse than CV here, is CV in Africa.

Well, 5 million people die of starvation every year in Africa and the lockdown is disrupting their food supply chains.

Or the refugee camps in Syria:

www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/03/syria-coronavirus-who-pandemic-denial-cases-detention-camps.html

When you consider how a refugee might cope in an overcrowded camp with no access to running water, medicine or help, it might help get things in perspective.

Government control to save your life, your parents lives and your babies life? Get a grip. It's hard for all of us but rather that than die. Do you know how awful it is to be on a ventilator? Do you have any idea? Do some research.

I think the problem with the 'don't complain, others have it worse than you' approach is that a situation can be extremely dire and someone will still have it worse. It also leaves the person complaining about the person complaining as a bit of a hypocrite.

It's entirely possible to understand the severity of the situation we're facing, to worry greatly about those impacted worse, to be fully complaint with the guidelines and to understand the need for them whilst, simultaneously, finding them hard to live with and worrying about what they mean for the future.

I take long(ish) term steroids for a medical condition. I know I need to take them, I take them every day and I appreciate being able to access them. And, at the very same time, I worry about their long term impact on my health. That doesn't make me ungrateful for the drugs, it doesn't mean I don't deserve them or that I think no one should have them.

I am quite embarrassed to be part of this generation. Find me a world war 2 survivor who endured far worse restrictions than us who were banging on about their '"human rights". That's right, I can't imagine you would find one.

You do realise that WW2 was arguable the catalyst for the civil rights movement and was the catalyst for the Council of Europe (the sole purpose of which is to promote human rights and who helped draft the Human Rights Convention)? A really unfortunate analogy on your part, I think.

It's depressing that people have chosen to just pile on and screech abuse at the OP.

Also depressing that so many seem unable to engage with more than one concept at once. Yes, the government's actions are probably necessary and more or less proportionate at the moment, yes, there is justification for them, yes, it is very important indeed we do what we can to mitigate this disaster, but for the love of goodness, it is equally as important to remain aware of just what is being lost.