Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

I'm okay at home yes
I'm doing my bit

I just think this situation is complex and not simple.
Long term, lockdown isn't a solution surely.

I have somehow managed to conflate your name with mine.

Another of these threads. Can't there just be one thread where all the people who feel like this go to whinge at each other.

Yes, it brings the things we can't control i.e mortality sooner or later, inot focus. It is not something we wish to think about so much perhaps.

I've got a take onkethis Soph which kind of works for me in a weird way if you lie. If you have been in situations before in your life where someone has sought to control you in some shape or form, i.e. an abusive partner, then it is completely understandable that you would feel this way and be particularly sensitive to losses of 'freedom' which others don't seem to be phased by.

I get it. The way I'm dealing with it is to focus on the 'new' freedoms that you have. Sounds strange I know but there are some things that have got simpler. Saving money by not going out so much? Remembering how much you love your loved ones? suddenly having space to write that sci fi novel you wanted to write?Try it that way, it might help. I don't think you are being selfish, it is just how you feel and everyone is entitled to that...

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The government will want everyone back at work paying lots of taxes and spending so they can get some money back. Don't worry, because we will be let out again.

I do think some will riot but all it will take is the news that one gang has become overridden with a deadly virus and that will put a stop to that.

Do not worry, we will go back to normal, stay safe and remember staying home will save lives.

There is already unrest and stealing from supermarkets in Southern Italy where deprived people have run out of money and therefore can't buy food. I can see there being a similar thing in some locations here if it lasts a very long time. I'm just taking one day at a time and trying to not to think long term as it would freak me out. I've had to take a compulsory pay cut and are now doing two jobs, my own full time one and home schooling. It's hard but it could be so much worse.

sorry that should have read 'like' not 'lie'

I think we have to accept it but always on the condition it's temporary. It's a balance and I'm trying hard to trust that the politicians will judge when we have reached the point where the harm the situation is doing, particularly for our children's generation, outweighs the harm of a free society and normal life.

borkins but do you accept that we need to stay at home to stop things from getting even worse though?

We are still working to keep women and children safe, they will still be protected, the same as before. Some courts have closed, but most are open and carrying on as normal. For the moment, we have not seen a spike in cases just yet. The good weather and novelty no doubt will have helped.

It's the people who rebel who will cause further problems imo. We're not being locked up and not let out, for no reason or on a whim. We're asked to stay in our homes in the middle of a world wide health crisis. We can shop for food and essentials, we can exercise, we have technology that means we can even see loved ones and speak to them. We mostly have entertainment, we have had schemes put in place to support us financially (most have, not all I get that) when we can't earn.
I understand that it is hard being isolated, due to my job and personal circumstances I spend the majority of my time alone anyway, this is just an extension of that and I'm lonely, very lonely because I miss the small interactions I did have. But honestly I think it's a sacrifice worth making, because my staying away from others could literally save lives.
Yes, there are people stuck in some awful situations because of this, domestic abuse, child abuse, elder abuse and these individuals need to be identified as much as possible and helped out of that situation. The need for these restrictions came quickly, and so the response had to, and not all angles could be considered.

What confuses me is a lot of people's insistence about "I'm not breaking any rules technically....."
While your activity may not actually be breaking a rule, is it conducive to controlling the spread and rate of infection so the systems in place can cope? That's the reasons for the rules and we all know what we can do to help with that. No, going out every day to the shops when you strictly don't need essentials for example, isn't breaking the rules, but it's also not helping the reasons the rules were brought in in the first place. There may be get outs for the rules in place, but no such get out for the virus, it's not like it's going to go "Uh oh, can't infect this one because they technically stuck to the rules!" It's going to infect who's there regardless of the rules, the reason the rules were made is to stop you being in that place to get infected.

It's not a case of I'm alright Jack either, because I'm not, at all. But I understand and appreciate the reasons for this happening and am doing my best to cope with it.

Just watched Harry Billinge on the news, just the sort of attitude the country needs at this point in time. Wanting to relax the restrictions too soon is dangerous and selfish. Others having the right to life trumps the wants of going where you want when you want.

The main issue I have is that many police seem to be trying their best to lose the consent of the public by bullying, intimidating and harassing people, and extending the rules unilaterally.

I always knew there were a few power-hungry officers but there seem to be many more than I realised.

The other concern is the Suburban Stasi who are revelling in monitoring and reporting their neighbours. It's now easy to see where the Nazis got their informants from.

I have no problem staying at home and largely think we just have to suck it up. However, I totally agree with the above. I found that Derbyshire Police video with the drones quite sinister tbh and imagined a group of sad little men 'just doing their duty' sat round making it.

After reading this thread and op l had to close it to calm down.

I’ve never read such self entitled crap in my life.

I want to live, so at the moment l just don’t care about my ‘human rights’

My most basic human right is to stay alive. We currently live in a democracy, but are in a state of emergency. And is it not a human right to be protected from this disease as much as possible?

Or is it a right to go out and spread it as much as you can by carrying on as normal? Because that seems to be what is being suggested.

I’d forfeit a lot of my ‘rights’ at the moment to stay alive. Things will return to normal ASAP.

Talk about self centred.

The situation is shit but I'm not upset at my 'human rights' being taken away because I can see the bigger picture.

I'm lucky - I get to stay at home and while trying to work full time and homeschool a 5 year old can be hard at least we're home and drastically minimising our risk of catching it.

My best friend on the other hand works for the NHS. She has a young child with asthma and is incredibly stressed about catching it and passing it on. Not only that, her fil died two weeks ago. They had to hold the funeral with only 5 people there and couldn't even comfort her mil. Her mil had to go home alone after burying her husband of 60 years.

We are quite literally being asked to stay at home. While it can be depressing it really could be worse and we need to remember that. I work for a university and we have have students stuck in other countries and their lockdown situations are far worse than ours.
I'm finding not socialising hard but while my friends who work for the NHS are having to go to work the least I can do is stay a home and not moan to much.

What rights do people think they won't get back?

I have no problems with the new guidelines / temporary laws but I DO have problems with the police treating the general public aggressively and scaring young kids while out on their daily walk (which is allowed!).

If children fear the police - who will they trust when they’re being abused?

If children grow up with a “fuck the police” mentality then that’ll also cause problems as they grow up.

Think about that for a moment.

I have no problem staying at home and largely think we just have to suck it up. However, I totally agree with the above. I found that Derbyshire Police video with the drones quite sinister tbh and imagined a group of sad little men 'just doing their duty' sat round making it.

I agree, it is also funny that they are much keener on this rather than breaking up groups that some people have reported. I've seen reports of gangs of kids, drug dealing etc but on one thread on here a woman was bullied by a police officer when walking home from the supermarket, she showed him the milk she bought but he was very unpleasant. Bullies like to pick their targets.

Human Rights Act Right to Life
Article 2: Right to life. 1. Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law

And that includes every poor bugger lying in a hospital bed right now, and all the many thousands that will follow him or her.

No, right now it is a benevolent dictatorship. The Govt. is not making us do things at the end of a barrel of a gun. They asked us nicely. We didn't listen because many of us have a massive sense of entitlement, coupled with a huge amount of ignorance. That is a very dangerous combination which would result in CV ripping through our country.

Boris is very clearly uncomfortable with telling us what to do and if I have one criticism of him, it is that he didn't lay down the law heavier and a bit earlier. He is a liberal and he doesn't want to curb us all like this. Anyone else, possibly yes. Jeremy Corbyn would have had us all in a Cuba-like communist state by now and would have tried to hang onto that after it was all over.

The govt. are doing an alright job given the circumstances and are being fair to a lot of people out of work. They aren't chucking people in jail for being out and I'm sure they will lift these curbs as soon as they can.

Article 2: Right to life. 1. Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law

You do realise that there have always been life-threatening infectious diseases in the UK, right?

Obviously people's views differ. I have always wanted more risk to my life and that of my children in return for more freedom. Not everyone takes that view. However I support the rule of law and will follow whatever laws are in place (unless they required me to murder my children or something dreadful like that) otherwise society breaks down.

Many of us of course have not been asked to stay at home as the Government wants us to travel to and at work and keep the country going so I hope the police are recognising that.

Our human rights have been infringed on. Read the new Coronavirus Act.

• Schedule 8 removes many of the safeguards for mentally-ill people being sectioned, reducing the number of doctors needed to sign off from two to one.
• Schedule 12 removes the duty to assess whether a child or adult needs social care, so.if you or yours suddenly need care, or age out of child care and still need adult care, there's no duty on the LA to assess you and without an assessment saying that you need care, are they going to start it? Nah.

But these are just disabled and mentally-ill people, their human rights don't count, right?

We are pretty lucky being asked to stay in comfortable homes with (mainly) central heating, hot running water, clean drinking water and not be living in a war zone.

The virus has spread to Syria. As if life wasn't horrific enough there already 😢

I read a particularly unpleasant post on Facebook yesterday from a guy who declared he’s not F staying in after the three weeks because of some granny killing flu . I am going out and I don’t give a F about any of them etc etc . Unfortunately there are a small minority who actually feel this way. My poor nephew whose 21 and just returned to uni after having a life saving liver transplant last year for an autoimmune disease has been self isolating for weeks, yes he’s got cabin fever but he’s not moaning and complaining. I think people need to look at the bigger picture now, yes it’s really tough I feel stressed too but it’s the absolute right thing to stay in and save lives even if that is imposed on us .

I think we all know all kinds of human rights have been removed. I suspect that is happening in most countries too but in emergency situations you have to make hard choices. I do not believe if you took a judicial review emergency injunction application to court for some of those affected you would win however as if eg there are few staff available to assess people's needs or if you allow much bigger class sizes as there are not enough teachers for children of essential workers etc etc then most judges are likely to agree the measures are justified by the situation. Even in war time we could leave the house for many more reasons than now so that change alone is having the biggest impact on people even those who are already terminally ill so conavirus is not an issue for them or have already had it are not allowed to do stuff.