Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

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I think the older generation from the world wars would be hanging their heads in despair at the amount of complaining and whingeing going on. And it's barely been a couple of weeks.

I agree.

The alternative is to go out, and potentially kill yourself, your loved ones and random people around you or make them seriously ill. On the whole, I'd prefer not to.

We need to be very careful and make sure the laws are properly enforced and not abused. That is one reason the Coronavirus Act only lasts for 6 months not 2 years and why the justice system is on the list of essential services. Solicitors and barristers are still working and if anyone has a human rights issue they should consider not allowing abuse of power to continue within reason. no one is jumping to sue for damages because their wife died because an ambulance was late or she did not have PPE at work but in due course anyone abusing their power can be held to account and some court hearings are going ahead. If children are not returned after a contact visit lawyers can use the courts still .

Keep going back to the regulations - www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/contents/made . A minister today has had to stress that most people can and should work and we are really grateful that they are working and it is only that very narrow list of restaurants etc and the very few jobs you can do from home which has to close.

borkins People's home experience of a lockdown is very low on my priority list at the moment.

I care about the people dying in hospitals. I care about my medic friends that may succumb to viral overload and lose their lives caring for others, and leave their young children behind. I care about making sure we have enough beds so we can give everyone a fighting chance of recovery.

I do not have the capacity to care deeply about those that are repainting walls at home, watching boxsets and eating crisps whilst our NHS are fighting the biggest crisis of our life time.

My dad has COPD and hardly gives a shit about Corona, he's had a good long life and is now worried that he'll spend his remaining time on earth deprived of anything that makes his life worth living.

It's not easy talking on the phone to elderly people who fear that the confinement is going to kill them long before corona.

I think there's a huge difference between saying 'this is shit, it's having a huge impact on my mental health and I don't trust the government to release back all the power it's taken' and 'this is shit AND I should be allowed to go back to normal who cares if some other people die'. Accepting the situation doesn't mean liking it.

The point is without action the death toll will be in the hundreds of thousands so while I'm absolutely hating this, I think it's the right thing and I think the rules should be enforced. This does not make me comparable to any variety of historical fascist.

I do think there should be significantly more mental health support.

I don't think a system where people who have had covid 19 are allowed out would work. The second that was even hinted, covid 19 parties would be all the rage.

So those who have lost their jobs shouldn't complain?
The woman locked down with a violent partner shouldn't complain?
The kid who gets abused at home shouldn't complain?

jas Why do we need to stand a minimum of 2metres apart?

I saw a meme which said

'People fought wars. You are being asked to sit on your arse. Don't fuck it up'

The idea that people can't cope with this for the greater good but might rebel for their human rights makes me want to weep.

*But every student isn't in the same boat ffs! Use your nonce

Some students will be getting home education, a nice fucking meal every day.

Some will now be home with NO education at all and a poor home life*

That is always the case. Schools are still open for some children and I think they are responsible for those on FSM.

The only problem I can really see is for children from homes where english is not a first language. Those children may well fall behind if this goes on to long.

You tell me to use my 'nonce' please look up the meaning of that word. And then you can stick your head back up your arse.

borkins You have't answered the question, as an intensive care nurse will you be rejoining to help your colleagues?

@cornishdreams1 You might think it's 'hysterical claptrap' to be concerned about the erosion of freedoms that were taken for granted less than a month ago. Fair enough. But presumably you are not in government so you cannot say with certainty that things will eventually go back to the way they were. War often brings seismic change to a society, and in battling the virus, this is akin to a war. (I'll take it as read that you regard that idea as more hysterical claptrap)

@cornishdreams1

But not everyone is doing those things

Some are being abused are having a breakdown.
Some are children.

I'm not disputing saving lives or the rules to do so. I'm just asking we consider the other cost to this.

It isn't black and white

morries I love that saying!!!

That should be used on every news channel in the world surely. Thanks for posting.

The most absolute human right is the one of life. This lockdown is designed to protect human lives as much as possible.

It’s staying home for a period of time and exercise and food shopping are still allowed. As is going into the garden of your own home.

I think the older generation from the world wars would be hanging their heads in despair at the amount of complaining and whingeing going on. And it's barely been a couple of weeks

Absolutely. If the alternative is to just carry on as normal and let literally millions globally die then I think staying in for a bit is a small price to pay.

And as for fretting and fussing that the government “won’t give us back our rights and freedoms when this is all over” .....get a fucking grip. Do you honestly think that once this is all behind us, that we will still be stopped by the police for being out and about? That we won’t be able to meet up?

@cornishdreams1

I haven't nursed for 12 years

I've tried tweeting my NHS trust, joining the volunteer scheme and email.

I've heard nothing back

Perhaps only recently left nurses are wanted?

So yes I've tried. And I'd happily do shifts to help out.

But I'd still care about the wider societal impact of lockdown

bornish You are talking to someone that has a lot of experience in DV. I understand your concerns, but the same structures are there to support anyone in need of help and assistance as before. The police will still attend, the family can still be removed, the courts are still operating. The chances of DV are of course raised, as they are at christmas and other flash points during the year. But we can not risk the lives of ten of thousands of people.

Are you okay at home? Are you talking about your own experience or generally?

@Borkins You are spot on and i agree with everything you say.

If the NHS wasn't always run at 100% capacity and Govt had supplies of PPE (as they knew this was coming in January but didn't order extra) then the strains on our health service & risks to staff wouldn't be as great.
After the medic died in Leicester, NHS upgraded its guidelines on PPE, even though there still isn't enough or of the correct type.

I think the older generation from the world wars would be hanging their heads in despair at the amount of complaining and whingeing going on. And it's barely been a couple of weeks.

The OP was talking about real dangers in the future, they weren't saying we shouldn't be doing this now. Why is thinking about the future seen as whingeing? Aren't you capable of thinking about now and the future? Why did the govt want the new laws to be unchallenged for 2 years, why did the opposition have to insist on 6 monthly reviews? There is a danger and people can be focused on the current dangers and the future dangers.

I do think there should be significantly more mental health support.

I agree with this. My DB has been badly affected by the lockdown. That doesn't mean that he should be exempt from the rules. But it does mean that Social Care should prioritise this more. His main support has always been my DM, but she's 80 and catches every infection going and would be at serious risk of catching COVID-19 if she were to visit him, as his hygiene is so poor.

Therefore, he's all alone.

We all care about the impact of the lockdown Borish but that is not a priority right now, our priority is to save lives. It really is as simple as that. The rest can be sorted out after the crisis.

Perhaps only recently left nurses are wanted?

It's those that have left within the last three years

Borish I hope you are not speaking for yourself and finding things hard at home.

But I'd still care about the wider societal impact of lockdown Exactly that, we can hold more than one thought in our heads at a time.