Our human rights have been taken away

[Soph7777]

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

I really feel like I'm living in a movie that I didn't ask to be cast in.

We all do. It's not just you. You never had a right to a perfect untroubled life and you are lucky you had one so far.

This seems such a child-like view to me. If the government hadn’t done this, using a tiny bit of critical thinking I would still CHOOSE to stay inside to protect myself, my family, and relieve the burden on the NHS. I’m not enjoying it, looking after a 3 and 1 year old with no break and none of the usual distractions of swimming, soft play, play fares etc , and trying to do paid work around that is hard, but I think it’s the right thing to do.

I'm actually embarrassed to say I live in a country where people are going to "riot" because they can only go out once a day.

This.

Really interesting how many people with poor mental health are saying this is unbearable etc and they won't be able to keep it up... would you rather be out at, say, a concert tonight surrounded by thousands of people who may any of them infect you? Surely if your mental health is fragile you'd feel safer at home?

Also - every last one of you posting about the inevitability of riots - you aren't going to riot. You know that. What would a riot even look like? Pounding at the padlocked doors of your favourite cafe demanding to be let in?? We are where we are for now. It won't last forever. The only option is to make the best of it. Model resilience for your kids

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*I also can't see the problem with people sitting on a beach!
In fresh air!

Or those people walking in the peak district...*

What is utter madness is that you can't see that 50,000 other worthy souls will do the same on a sunny day! Using the same toilets, facilities etc and all mingling together to create a wonderful environment for coronavirus to take down every one of them.
The very fact you don't seem to realise that you CAN still catch coronavirus in the fresh air is rather worrying.

You do realise there would be riots and civil unrest on a scale never seen in this country if the government refused to give us back our freedom once this is all over? Would there? Depends what they do. It is a slippery slope, before this started this govt were taking steps to exert more authority over the judiciary, our judiciary have always been independent, they had taken back some controls from the NHS (can't remember the details but the head of the NHS was losing some control to No 10) so this could be a gift to them.

I've seen posts on here where the elderly and vulnerable are being blamed for the lockdown, one saying why should they have to have their 20 week scan without their partner just so a 92 year old can live an extra year. How many would riot of Johnson removes all restrictions for the majority but keeps them for selected groups e.g. the elderly and people with certain conditions. Once they disappear from society how many people will think of them.

So yes we have lost rights for a good reason but what will the unintended consequence be.

I understand why you are upset about the situation, OP, but it was the only choice for a government that had already given the nation the chance to self-isolate and behave cautiously voluntarily. Perhaps it would help you OP if you could focus on the needs of others, rather than become too self-absorbed. Is there a scheme you could join to help the needy or vulnerable?

about anew app that may be used eg to check your temperature before you go into a restaurant when they reopen. Of course it's a good idea

Lots of people that have tested positive for CV don't even have a temperature so how will this idea help?

@cornishdreams1

I get it. I have elderly relatives. Oh and I used to be an intensive care nurse. So I get the horrendous shifts our nurses now face.

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

I'm actually okay in lockdown. I'm enjoying times with my children and life being a bit simpler.

However I'm also capable of considering those for whom this lockdown is a disaster. Their lives matter too.

You are naive if you think teenagers don't care or won't be affected by their education stalling. You lack empathy if you can't consider an abused woman trapped indoors with a violent man. Or a child who loves school because their home life is poor.

Yes we should save lives. Protect the NHS. But we should also consider the impact on many more lives of long term lockdown.

Your daily life has been restricted OP. I'm sure it will be for no longer than experts think it is necessary.

We are with our immediate families and can easily contact others. There is plenty of food. Hopefully anyone in difficulty can get help so no one is going hungry.

Our sons and husbands have not been conscripted and people have not been ordered into doing 'necessary' work.

Very few of us have experienced anything like this but those that did managed to come out the other side. We will too hopefully.

Schools are closed and other forms of education have been disrupted but every child/student is in the same boat and things will be sorted.

I don't think things will ever be quite the same again. It has been a wake up call for all of us.

In two world wars your sons would have been forced to fight and die, women were conscripted to work the fields. It was illegal to have lights in the blackout. All we have to do is stay home and get bored. After the last war food rationing didn't completely end until around 1955. We need to pull together like never before or this will go on much longer

There are some nasty people on here. I’m sorry @Soph7777. You’re not the only one, I feel the same. The comment that annoys me is @Mynydd - a lot of people with MH issues struggle with feelings of claustrophobia, it’s not the fact that we necessarily WANT to be at concerts etc it’s more that we’ve had those options taken away, those and many more. Also people with anxiety and depression generally struggle with a lack of control, it’s part of the illness so it makes perfect sense we’re struggling.

We should all be able to complain about this situation (because it’s bollocks and shite) without having anybody jumping on our backs ready to make us feel shit with ‘but people are dying’. Yes, we know that but we are still allowed to be unhappy and complain. We are still allowed to be scared and frustrated and anxious and low. Just because we haven’t got it the worst that doesn’t mean we just have to shit down and shut up.

‘Resilient’ is a horrible word and is actually not a good thing to be, if you speak to most MH professionals so we need to stop telling people to ‘be more resilient’.

Ffs have some sympathy, the OP is clearly struggling and must feel worse now. OP, it’s just a luck of the draw on MN, you either get lovely people in the majority or you get some of the examples you’ve had on here!

I think if it goes on too long people will probably start disobeying, they will want to resume work and life. If things improve after a month perhaps they could reduce controls

But every student isn't in the same boat ffs! Use your nonce

Some students will be getting home education, a nice fucking meal every day.

Some will now be home with NO education at all and a poor home life

I can't actually believe we are even having this conversation this week, when every single medic in this country is bracing for the beginning of the peak and are working 247 already! It honestly beggars belief the scale of what we face, and yet we are still subject to this woke bleating about human rights....I truly truly despair of some people.

It is really shining a light on the entitled, self indulgent few who lack the even the faintest idea of the suffering and the pain that is being experienced by so many.
We can only hope that when arrive on the other side of this peak, even those few will finally understand what is at stake.

You need to grow up OP.

As someone who's been indoors almost two weeks now due to symptoms, I do have sympathy for the OP because we are a nation of people who are used to having our freedom. It does feel restrictive to be told what to do. However, for me there was never any question that I wouldn't stay indoors once I was told to. I am really lucky in that my job seems safe for now and I can wfh. Plus I've recovered from whatever kind of illness I had, but now I live with the worry that it wasn't CV - which is a strange thing to be worried about!

But even tho I can go out from tomorrow, I now don't want to. I'm scared of this virus. I'm all my kids have got and if I've not had it, then what if I catch it from one of these people who are insisting that all of their trips out every day are "essential" Its not necessarily their life they're gambling with - its mine, and anyone else that they come into contact with.

Think of the poor key workers (and a special mention here for front line NHS workers). Think about how terrified they must be going out the door to work every day. Think about how scared they must be that they're going to catch this and never see their families again.

That fear is what will keep me and my children inside as much as possible. It's ok to feel stressed about being indoors, but we have to think about the greater good right now x

You are being incredibly selfish.
We are having to do this for two reasons; firstly to prevent thousands and thousands of people from dying. Secondly, to help the NHS cope with the amount of really poorly people.

Sorry, but those things far outweigh the need to rebel.
As for our human rights surely the right to life shouldn't be denied to anyone??? You wanting to rebel and go against the social distancing measures mean that you are effectively takin away others right to life as you could be spreading this round to anyone who has to deal with you. Those police, nhs workers and anyone else all have families. Why are you more special than them?

@cornishdreams1

I care about the lives of those who will suffer in lockdown. Do you?

Things like concerts, football, anywhere where large numbers of people are jammed together should be the last things to restart.

Transport is London, especially the tube should have been shut down at the start and medical workers transported in taxis.

I think the older generation from the world wars would be hanging their heads in despair at the amount of complaining and whingeing going on. And it's barely been a couple of weeks.

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Oh and I used to be an intensive care nurse. So I get the horrendous shifts our nurses now face

So are you volunteering to help now? Will you be joining the front line to save lives?

If you are/were an intensive care nurse then you will understand fully what is at stake now, so why on earth are you talking about healthy students and exams instead of the carnage playing out in London hospitals for instance?

The very fact you don't seem to realise that you CAN still catch coronavirus in the fresh air is rather worrying

Unless i've misunderstood you, CV19 is NOT an airborne disease.

My mum has COPD and was bedridden before all this
My dad is 73
My partner has lost his job
Mine is safe but pointless and dangerous
My home life is not good even before all this.
It's hard but necessary. And far from the hardest thing this country have faced before.

Death is a certainty, life is for living? Yes, it's just that now I have a problem in that if I break my leg, and the NHS is overwhelmed, I spend the rest of my life with a leg that doesn't work very well. Also a problem that would curtail a lot of my life.