Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Oh for goodness sake, just shut up and put up!

Everyone, including the OP, has had multiple messages all over the last few years about how people struggling with mental health in some way should not 'put up and shut up' and should talk about it.

I bet, if I flicked through some of the nastier posts on this thread I would find previous histories from the posters of them not 'putting up and shutting up' about something that worried them.

If you don't want to read threads about people worrying about elements of CV that you don't consider important then move on. It's a weird kind of behaviour that draws people to threads they think are worthless just to spend time and effort castigating the OP for a pointless post - thereby adding more pointlessness to the thread.

That is, if you think it's pointless to start with, which I don't. I can see real value in reaching out when elements are worrying you and getting messages back that are supportive and designed to help - even if in disagreement.

To those who say "everyone is struggling with this" speak for yourself.

I was relieved the government has given the police the ability to enforce people to stay home, because there are too many selfish idiots who cannot think about anything other than their own trivial needs (everything from needing to go down the pub, to wanting their nails shellacked to having to have daily exercise even though they probably haven't exercised since childhood).

It's stressful being separated from loved ones and not being able to help other than arms length, and not being able to do my job properly because I'm having to work remotely in a job that's largely customer facing, but it's a damn sight better than being out there with all the idiots who couldn't care if they get CV or give it to anyone else.

With rights come responsibility

Of course it’s a worry about our human rights. Anyone that doesn’t think that is being naive. We’ve all got our worries about this virus and for a lot of us we do worry what our lives will be like in the future. People should be able to voice their concerns without the self righteous brigade jumping on their backs,

@RJnomore1

I know that it only protects against one strain. I suffer a lot from viral illnesses as I have low immunity and I now have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as a result of my flu last year that turned into pneumonia. (Although I'd stupidly forgotten to have a flu jab so we'll never know whether it would have protected me.)

Nevertheless, I don't think it's common for young, healthy people to die of flu. (It's a nasty illness, as I said, and I hate hearing COVID-19 being spoken of as just flu'.) It also isn't as infectious as COVID-19, but that's because COVID is a new illness so there's no immunity towards it.

You just need to look at it differently.

You live in are part of society and an active part of a collective action to save society from a deadly pandemic.

This has not been imposed by a dictatorship for the sake of being controlling - but by a democracy to protect us all.

I agree that this is awful. I absolutely hate the situation that the country is in. I'm missing my family, my work and my normal life which is making me feel extreamly depressed BUT... if the restrictions were lifted, would you start going out all the time ? Would you feel fine travelling to work on public transport? Are you not scared of catching this virus or spreading it around? I am absolutely petrified of it which is what is keeping me at home. I do not want to catch this and do not want to pass it on to other people. if I were unfortunate enough to catch it I would like to think that there is space in a hospital for me to be treated. If they lift these measures too soon, there will be no room and more people will die. THAT trumps the depression for me at the moment. I will continue to stay home and keep my moaning to a minimum until it's safe to resume normal life. My life, my families lives, and my community's lives are far more important than freedom at the minute. X

There are 2.6 billion people in lockdown at the moment.
You really aren’t alone.
It will end.

We can vaccinate against one strain of flu per year not all

Not necessarily just one strain.

The flu jab I had last November was a combination which gain immunity against several most prevalent strains of flu.

Human beings have just become far too selfish and entitled. We're in the middle of a global pandemic and you're worried about your human rights.

You're in your home, you're being asked to just stay inside for what is, in the grand scheme of things, a very short space of time whilst people's mothers, fathers, sons and daughters put their own lives on the line to fight this.

Honestly I really fucking despair at the attitudes of some.

Of course it’s a worry about our human rights. Anyone that doesn’t think that is being naive

I think it is naive in the extreme to imagine we are going to turn into China overnight because we have had to take a few precautions against a killer virus.

If some are suffering with MH issues because we are in a lockdown, then they need to seek proper help, but wailing about human rights and riots will only help to further destabilise those that are managing (and they may also have some pretty big MH issues to contend with) So it is important to be calm, and feel reassured that we will at some point be back to normal, things will settle down.

Collectively we need to support this action now, it is temporary. We can go back to arguing about politics when this is all over.

It’s the virus, that has taken everything away from us! I know it’s difficult but you can’t blame the government.

OP the Mumsnet Stasi will never try to think outside of simple slogans and virtue signalling.

I'm glad there are people who are asking the questions. Because it's been very quick and easy how we've become so controlled. It's for a valid reason now.

But as this goes on, does the health and well being of the living (those that are now immune) count less?

Children? I'm sad about a whole generation of teenagers unable to sit their final exams. How will this affect them?

My mental health isn't good. My financial situation is bad and won't be improved by the measures the government has put in place. I don't like being told what to do.

But I don't look at is as my rights being removed. I am making a conscious decision based on the government's advice to ensure the safety of my family and society as a whole.

frilly well said.

I felt my civil liberty was removed quite early on when I was being forced to go to work and the dc to school as the threat level was rising.
I felt the choice should have been given earlier for those that wanted to to stay at home.

I'm very pleased we are in lock down but what doesn't please me is the excersie rule and not travelling.
We should be able to drive locally for walks etc without being made to feel guilty.
Even in the height of summer, where we like to go we've never been cheek or jowl with people.
When rules like that are imposed it makes you loose respect. It was like the excuse for not closing schools.
We were told it wouldn't help and would cause all the elderly to have dc foisted on them. As if elderly people are passive, can't say no and all people with older parents are selfish.

Now that's all faded away hasn't it.
We were also told by Sir Patrick the chief science officer that Cheltenham could go ahead because it was outdoors and he said there was little evidence to show it was that contagious outdoors....

Now we are being told its impossible to drive short distances to woods and open countryside!
Maddness.

We are not being totally controlled. We always have a choice, and right now, apart from the idiots, everyone is choosing to follow the government regulations to try to stop the spread of this virus that has killed thousands and brought grief and suffering to many more. We could all choose to rebel if we wanted too, but we would only be hurting ourselves. The government is asking us to be brave, kind, selfless and have the same kind of resilience that we had during the world wars. Unfortunately, threads like this have made me realise that we are not that country anymore. We are not the country that kept Hitler out with sheer fighting spirit.

OP, you are doing too much navel gazing. Rather than musing about what you have lost why not do something positive and work as part of a food distribution charity for those whose needs are greater than yours? Maybe looking at people who are having a really tough time will help you put this into perspective.

There is freedom to and freedom from, you are being kept free from a nasty virus but have, in turn lost your freedoms to do what you like. This is only a temporary state and you should remind yourself this regularly.

OP, no YANBU - (even though this is not AIBU everyone is wading in as it if it is). MN is one of the nastiest, must unsupportive places to be at the moment, which is a shame because 9 years ago when my DD was struggling to sleep it was wonderful and I've kept the link ever since then.

So, no of course you're not being unreasonable, you are just saying it's shit - which is undoubtedly is. The economy is nose-diving at a rate of knots, people are losing jobs left right and centre, kids are missing vital time in education etc etc etc, in order to keep the death rate at rate equivalent to that of normal seasonal flu. I get why we're doing - I get that we HAVE to protect the NHS from being totally overwhelmed and yes, I am adhering to every social distancing measure and I don't know what the other options would be but that doesn't mean that we can't question the global thinking on this and also complain!

I also can't see the problem with people sitting on a beach!
In fresh air!

Or those people walking in the peak district...

Utter Maddness.

I would like to know where all you conscientious people are when elderly are dying because pensions aren't enough for both food and heating? When sick, mentally ill and disabled are dying or suffering from the horrendous PIP regime?
When seriously ill people don't receive the treatment they need in hospital because of the cutbacks?
My disabled adult son who lives in supported living was a victim. All his benefits were cut, he was nearly made homeless. No one gave a shit except one MP who sorted it but our son now lives in constant fear of it happening again.

And some of you guys come on here to scold people who have genuine concerns?
Give us a fucking break, sheeple and do-gooders!!

@iWantToBreakBrie Yes I understand Mental Health. I have EID to which I receive treatment for (although on hold right now).

I do not think the thread is pointless nor unworthy. I have read through all of the replies with interest. I was just putting my point across in that although disruptive, hopefully within a few months, things will start to return to normal.

I am thankful I can get shopping (although I am limiting it) and able to get out once a day to walk my dog and exercise. I take every precaution going as my daughter on the frontline and I have asthma and COPD.

It is so frustrating to be cooped up and looking for things to do all the time (my house has never been so clean!) but I have the mindset of I cannot change anything right now. It is a waste of energy to try and fight against these rulings as it is totally out of our power.

As I said above, I am more worried for one of my daughters right now rather than focus on my boredom and lack of being able to mix socially.

Bring in the army?

Why are certain types of people obsessed with the military

Fedupofdoingit did you know that those flouting the rules are in the minority? I recommend reading something other than the Daily Mail online

borkins It is very clear you do not know anyone nor do you expect anyone close to you suffer terribly or die from CV? It is all about you isn't it, and the inconvenience the virus is causing you.

Most teens I know are grateful not to be struck down by this deadly virus. Most teens I know can actually look beyond themselves, and the short space of time they will be inside for, and feel rightly proud that they are doing their bit in what is amounting to an historical life changing time their lives. It appears they may have a better grasp of this than you.

Have I actually just read a post that says 'watch Alex Jones' on this thread? If so MN has become an alternate reality. He was selling Covid curing toothpaste ffs.

Of course it’s a worry about our human rights. Anyone that doesn’t think that is being naive. We’ve all got our worries about this virus and for a lot of us we do worry what our lives will be like in the future. People should be able to voice their concerns without the self righteous brigade jumping on their backs

This. There was an item on the radio news this morning about anew app that may be used eg to check your temperature before you go into a restaurant when they reopen. Of course it's a good idea. But look at the officious over-interpretation of the rules we've seen eg off-licences can't sell chocolate, a woman drawing (washable off) chalk lines on the floor to get her customs to queue 2m apart was threatened with legal action by a police officer.

The rules are sensible in context - but they need to be interpreted with great care - and not continued for one day longer than medical experts deem necessary.

Some people on here are itching for their rights to be infringed even more. I was actually pleasantly surprised that this anti-democratic government (eg proroguing parliament when you don't get your own way) was reluctant to put lockdown measures in place. But I do wonder whether they'll be as keen to remove them again.