Why can't people follow the rules?

[babydogandi]

I'm confused

Every single day people post on here saying the rules are rubbish and why they shouldn't apply to them.
Every day people are arguing with those of us trying to follow the rules set out by OUR government.
I have some questions

1. Those of you who feel the rules are silly and ignore them - if you get ill enough will you be using the NHS to receive care?
2. If the answer to this is yes are you comfortable knowing you could be taking that care away from someone's mother, father, son or daughter who tried their upmost to follow all the rules?
3. If you loved one dies because the NHS didn't have spaces would you be angry or would you accept it and move on without raising a complaint?
4. Why do you feel these rules the rest of us are following don't apply to you. You cannot just say because they are silly.

My point is how can you deliberately ignore these rules when they are there to save lives?

People have been asked to isolate themselves. Breathless is isolating. If breathless were to take herself and her children off to a refuge now that would be much worse for disease transmission. You might not like how breathless isolates but she is still isolating. You are not making the world safer than she is.

I have never seen an OP wrap themselves in knots quite so much trying to defied a position rather than climb down.

Op do you not know how to risk assess? Use common sense? Following the rules by the letter doesn't make you special or clever, in fact it makes you seem like you can't think critically.

Going out for one walk where you stay away from everyone is the pretty much the same as going out for two walks where you stay away everyone.

The rules are there for the majority but they know that some people will need to bend those for very good reason. The police are not going to be fining those people, even if you might be fuming over there in your perfect self isolation tank.

@professorbean police were at our local woods yesterday. They fined 15 people who had driven to the site (even though the main car park was clearly closed) and cautioned 3 people who they saw had come out on multiple walks. They were also stopping traffic coming in and out of the town to ask where they were travelling to and turned many people round as it was not deemed an essential trip. I don't live in a busy town, however we've had people drive miles to get to our woods in the last week - not so much the last couple of days because of the weather. What would normally be a quiet walk where we don't see a sole is no longer the case.
Let's hope we don't get stricter measures like Spain and Italy because I don't know how most of MN will cope with that. But then again as most of MN seem to live in the middle of fields I'm sure they won't be affected by it. Yet will be the first to complain if they don't get the care from the NHS or if they get fined by the police

Bloody hell op.
I live semi rurally.
Our public transport is rubbish, I can't just 'hop on a train.'
Before this started I walked to work and back, did my steps that way.
Now I'm WFH most days.
I do go for one walk a day (most days, not always).
I used to go to the gym too.
If we went for a drink we wakkwd, there and back.
To now say stay in your house continuously for 90 days (or whatever) is very difficult for those of use who do not live in the hussle and bussle of a city.
I'm not breaking the rules I have to work with the public and did not feel comfortable with it.
It is hard and unacceptable for people to drive to woods/beauty spots but we live in a capitalist society and this government promoted every one for themselves.
To suddenly ask people to stop that is not easy.
I see busses pass me and they are empty. This worrys me I hope this won't mean even less busses the future. Where I used to live the beautiful wood is earmarked for destruction by HS2, something that will descimate the area and no, local people will not be able to use HS2.
Quite frankly we are being asked to give and not take.
I am sticking to the rules but if my services suffer as a result I won't do it again.
We already live with very little and I'm not prepared to see that diminish after this.

OP are you being obtuse on purpose?

@emilybrontescorsett we only have one bus service which has been stopped, we have no other public transport within walking distance for most (minimum of a 45-50 min walk to the next bus stop and train station). We have a Tesco and a petrol station which is about a 20-25 min walk from us. Our nearest hospital is an hour and a half away and that same hospital services major cities. People have thought that oh I know that this town is quiet and quite isolated let's go out there, this has lead to a massive increase in people out and about. In our woods every part is fenced in you have to open a gate to get into it, the same as I presume quite a lot of people are needing to touch gates etc for these endless fields they are rambling in.
We received notice yesterday that the busses will not be reinstated until at least September as we are not considered a priority route, as of last week there were still a lot on the busses so it hasn't made a blind bit of difference as to whether they are running or not. Risking contamination of others won't keep your public transport running

I have a neighbour with two children that now appear to have caught the virus. The parents are still going out in the car to a local park to walk the dog twice a day, one parent in the morning, the other in the afternoon. Nothing I can do about it, but I'm angry. If you go out to the same park, you risk catching it from them! STAY HOME.

Wow...how telling this thread is. Baby it is telling no one has answered your questions! Seems to me like everyone has 100 reasons why they can’t follow the RULES but no one sees the bigger picture. To bash OP is horrific when it will be you causing the issues. Funnily enough I really don’t remember being told or reading that Covid-19 discriminates depending on where you live? Last time I checked people in ‘rural’ areas were still getting sick? You are all so self entitled to presume that you are above this. How the hell can you tell who will be on the same walk as you. Let’s not mention that it can live on surfaces for 72 hours. Unless you are all floating around (as you seem to be able to do everything else in the countryside) you are at risk. Simple message is stay and home and save lives. This is bigger than just you and your problems and I can bet you will complain if your loved one dies because of lack of beds. Like it or not the whole world is facing this threat and to not do you bit is disgusting.

From another perspective - some people do understand the science, do understand probability, risk management etc and do not agree with the governments new approach - Sweden for instance has not closed primary schools. Herd immunity is the solution it just requires ensuring the health system can cope, but bring in too many restrictions and it will extend the time to develop it beyond the minimum. Those with health conditions/older people need to idol but the jury is out on the rest of us. Im still working unlike many people, the cost to people's futures is an issue, not something that's popular here but I fear for an increase in suicides due to bankruptcy too.

I'm planning on driving to my place of work (about 45min on a motorway) to collect my desk chair to use at home. I don't have a set up at home and my back is really hurting.

Just asking if I'm allowed?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/30/uk-police-guidelines-coronavirus-lockdown-enforcement-powers-following-criticism-lord-sumption?

Would you look at that. Police to get guidance because they have been overstepping remit of legislation.

It includes "while driving to exercise might be unwise, it is not prohibited by emergency powers"

So @babydogandi looks you are, in fact, wrong.

@BreathlessCommotion did you actually watch the press briefing yesterday? In it this question was asked twice the government response was that they support whatever actions the police put into place. Please note this was driving to exercise or walk dog etc

The point about only going out once is not being argued and police can fine if you are caught 🙄🙄

The guardian have done a few 'fact checked' articles and then asked the same question in the briefing yesterday and got different answers to their facts.

Because people think they are above the law or above advice from government .

I'm sure some drink drivers might have thought to themselves "I've only had 3 pints, I know the risks, I can weigh up the situation for myself, you people telling me not to drive are exactly like the stasi, I do not agree with the government campaigns, the police are all nazis and we live in a police state ....my journey is essential "

So on and so on

I don't think I'm above the law. I think I'm a much bigger burden as a suicide risk than an extra outing every other day.

And I am a genuine risk. And there is naff all that can be done. The GP won't increase my meds without cmht. Cmht are over run and too busy, could be weeks, maybe months before I hear from them. The crisis team is overwhelmed and told my dh to just remove all means. I'm not alone so I'm not a priority. Everything else in my wellness and recovery plan is banned.

I cannot live like this for another week, let alone month. But this isn't about that. This is just about you being right. So yes, are right obviously. I am a selfish twat who deserves to suffer for daring to try and keep going.

@BreathlessCommotion my last response to you never said you were above the law just that the guardian article
Was different to the press briefing they had yesterday so should not and cannot be taken as gospel.

I said further down/up that there are some wonderful charities that can and will help you even during this time however you need to make the first move and contact them. In addition as I said if you can still go out without DC as you have someone to look after them when you go out so it's not impossible to be alone.
Lots and lots of people are struggling like this which is why charities have majorly stepped up their services to help and support people.

This is also the same in DV situations however I am slightly confused as to whether you are taking about partner or child because different charities help with different things but still up and running, most 24/7.

My dh is emotionally abusive or has been. He's trying to "change" to stop me leaving. My 7 yr old ASD dd has violent outbursts. This includes punching, kicking, biting. I also have a 10 yr old to keep safe.

Dd won't leave the house without me. Dh won't deal with dd any interaction causes her to kick off. I can go out without them sometimes. And I do.

But every few days I need to go out twice.

What charities can help? Mind etc have not been able to help. ASD charities are mostly other parents supporting. I'm part of those. It helps a bit to know I'm not the only one. Doesn't solve the problem though. We don't qualify for respite care at the best of times. We certainly wouldn't now.

@BreathlessCommotion I used Samaritans quite a bit when things got too much. We also used child line especially as you have the 10yo. They were and have always been excellent and levelled approach. I have also used woman's aid who were helpful and refuge who offered lots and lots of advice and a way out if I needed it.

I have used the Samaritans in the past. I've used them last week. It isn't enough. This isn't about being overwhelmed with issues that I need to get off my chest. I have friends who are well aware of my issues, my mum I can talk to on the phone.

The problem is partly brain chemistry- I went quite high just before it kicked off with a small manic episode. This has then plunged me into where I am now. Although I also still can't sleep, I think partly because every day seems the same and lack of exercise.

Its also situational where I cannot bear being around people all the time. Being touched by the dc and dh. The constant demands on me, trying to work and teach dc at the same time. All I want to do is run away and not look back. Nothing can solve that issue until all this is lifted.

@honestlywill - are you sure that you used an up-to-date calculator which removes the minimum floor for freelancers?
I don't understand why you aren't entitled to all rent paid plus around £370 per month for you and £250 for your child.
Try the calculator on Martin Lewis's site.