Why can't people follow the rules?

[babydogandi]

I'm confused

Every single day people post on here saying the rules are rubbish and why they shouldn't apply to them.
Every day people are arguing with those of us trying to follow the rules set out by OUR government.
I have some questions

1. Those of you who feel the rules are silly and ignore them - if you get ill enough will you be using the NHS to receive care?
2. If the answer to this is yes are you comfortable knowing you could be taking that care away from someone's mother, father, son or daughter who tried their upmost to follow all the rules?
3. If you loved one dies because the NHS didn't have spaces would you be angry or would you accept it and move on without raising a complaint?
4. Why do you feel these rules the rest of us are following don't apply to you. You cannot just say because they are silly.

My point is how can you deliberately ignore these rules when they are there to save lives?

Yet another thread of armchair experts.

Threads like this, together with the 'are you knitting face masks for the NHS' make me think that my dh and 1000's nhs staff like him have no chance.

If they have no chance, good luck to you and yours when you get ill.

@FurryMuzzle you’re spot on and the scenarios you describe are absolutely fine with most of us. We have to accept there is a minority (hopefully very small) who think they’re above the rules and it somehow doesn’t apply to them. This is a time for clear thinking, practical measures and a solution focused approach. One day at a time, adapt and reflect as we go. Observe and learn from a distance then act accordingly. ps I’m not a prepper lol

@TorkTorkBam I feel like everyone has an excuse under the sun. Also it seems that majority of MN live in fields with only a scarecrow for company. However saying that my brother thinks he's rural because he lives a road up from the woods 🤷🏼‍♀️ I'm angry that key workers are risking their lives and the lives of their families everyday for people to deliberately bend the rules to fit them better. It's simply not fair.

It's simply not fair.

Rural communities:

• have poorer access to healthcare and are further away from a hospital

• have less shops so less food supplies nearby

• have slower internet so may struggle to wfh if their job allows which it is unlikely to because they...

• are less likely to hold wfh jobs

• are more vulnerable to crime as they have lower police numbers

• have poor transport links and have less petrol stations but need to use more fuel to get around

What they do have is open countryside on their doorsteps. It's just part of the pros and cons of living rurally.

@NuclearWinter as I said. With poorer access to healthcare you would think that you would think forward to if you open yourself up to a greater risk of becoming ill. For a period of time I lived in wales nearest house was 2 miles away, surrounded by cows. I couldn't guarantee I would never see anyone 🤷🏼‍♀️ I wouldn't be so naive to have the attitude of ill be fine it won't happen to me

Some days I don't go out because my dd can't cope with me leaving her for even a minute. Does that make it OK? If I go out twice, but every other day?

People aren't bending rukes to be difficult. You said yourself they are deliberately vague. People are using common sense.

I used one of my alone walks to deliver a prescription to an elderly at risk person. I don't go every day. I do it when I need to. And I'm not leaving the house otherwise.

Bet you could guarantee you'd see them before they were 2 metres away though...

@NuclearWinter depends where the cows were. But no. It was mostly woodland with a few fields

So not the same situation as breathless then at all. Dense woodland with trees closer together than 2 metres and cows occupying it is very different from open fields.

Must be the minority. Definitely not happening in my county & it’s a biggun 👍🏻🥳

Totally agree furry

I am also following the rules but don't really care if someone goes for a 2nd walk in a field or not - regardless of the presence of camouflaging cows.

babydog you are shouting at the wrong people for the wrong reasons. I know I am isolating very well indeed. You might have decided that breathless and I are lying about how we can go for two walks and still be excellently isolated but, well, things you make up in your own head are not reality. If you start telling me I am responsible for somebody's nan getting ill because I took a walk where I was never closer than 10m to another human being, then I just feel you are letting your anxiety get out of control.

Most of us have friends and family who are key workers risking themselves for others.

How do you even know what other people are allegedly doing anyway? If you are actually isolating you don't know. Your mind is getting itself wound up and you end up suggesting people like me are stupid or evil because of stuff that is happening in your head not what is actually happening in reality.

Most people are following the rules.

Our lives have changed beyond recognition almost overnight and so of course some people will struggle with this. The threat is invisible and therefore hard to imagine. Everything seems the same but is also completely different. Some people have shit in their lives that they may need to escape, remember that lockdown for some people will be hell, not just "oh my kids are driving me mad" hell, but proper abusive relationship/struggling with addiction/ severely low income etc hell.

Give people a break, most people are good and well intentioned. Stop thinking that you are somehow superior to everyone else for doing the lockdown "correctly".

Anyone else wondering what kind of woodland means you cannot see a distance of two metres?

I've walked in a variety of woods all over the UK and never been in one like that. I hope it had good signs to find your way out again!

@BreathlessCommotion as I've said I sympathise with your position however this is not just for the safety of you and your family but for others as well. I apologise I get frustrated however with NHS staff and chief scientific people begging people to stay at home it's difficult for me to rationalise why people can't stick to the rules. We would all rather go on more than one walk a day and escape from reality but at this moment in time we have been asked to stop to save people. You may not see anyone that's correct but you cannot guarantee that. As I have also said you are also doubling your chances of having an accident, it's true this could happen at home BUT in those cases you'd normally only require an ambulance at worse rather than a team of people including in some cases police and search and rescue if you are rural. It was recommended today that if you walk with children but want a 'break' as they put it walk as a family for 30 mins then break off. I think this could be an excellent compromise. In your case it sounds like dd will change from day to day but this should be the course of action you are aiming for. I understand everyone's situation is not the same but to the best of our ability we should stick to the rules/guidelines or however you want to refer to them as. This is going to help people and it could help people that you love and care about

@professorbean well said!

Empathy is what's needed - not vitriol.

@RoombaSavedMySanity it was very thick. Was in the national park sort of area. Very hilly there was a little carved out path to follow

The less we go out, the less chance there is of spreading the virus. It is simple

I can't do that dd has a strong attachment to me. I can't risk her having a meltdown on the street.

As I said I have friends and family working in the front line of the NHS and they think it's fine. Not just for me, but for others, where appropriate.

As it happens I'm far more likely to get injured in the house, from the violence. But no one in the NHS, social care or government gives a toss about that. Just if I go for two walks a day.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52081280

@BreathlessCommotion as sad as that article is it does state that they can leave the home for seeking refuge 'Whilst our advice is to stay at home, anyone who is at risk of, or experiencing, domestic abuse, is still able to leave and seek refuge. Refuges remain open, and the police will provide support to all individuals who are being abused - whether physically, emotionally, or otherwise'

As I said as a (I don't like using the word victim but I can't think of another word) of DV I am well to aware of the struggles but the goal is to leave to get help rather than just get some distance.

Bloody hell, have some empathy babydog.

I think the rules need to be exercised with a dose of common sense. I live in the coutryside, I could go out for 10 walks or bike rides a day and stay away 3 metres from the 3 people I'd see over that time. That's not going to be an issue for anyone and the legislation doesn't even mention is has to be only once a day.

I go shopping once or twice a week, maintaining appropriate distance. I order stuff online because as someone lucky enough to be on a full salary it might be quite useful to try to keep the economy going.

Being anally pedantic about what is the right thing to do might give some people a nice warm feeling, but most of us are capable of knowing what is sensible

Breathless most NHS workers do give a toss about you. baby is manifesting her anxiety by obsessing about how you isolate not whether you isolate. Best not to feed it.

@TorkTorkBam no. I am following the rules. I am doing my bit to help people. I am doing what we have all been asked to do. If @BreathlessCommotion needs help there are some wonderful wonderful charities out there who are still working everyday through this pandemic to provide advice, help and refuge for those in need. @FaFoutis I have empathy but unfortunately no amount of walking will help in breathless' situation as above there are many wonderful charities that can help. As stated I've been through this and most 'professionals' do including teaching and medical didn't give a toss. I had to make the first move. The BBC article has some brilliant charities associated with the article and need to be contacted