Why can't people follow the rules?

[babydogandi]

I'm confused

Every single day people post on here saying the rules are rubbish and why they shouldn't apply to them.
Every day people are arguing with those of us trying to follow the rules set out by OUR government.
I have some questions

1. Those of you who feel the rules are silly and ignore them - if you get ill enough will you be using the NHS to receive care?
2. If the answer to this is yes are you comfortable knowing you could be taking that care away from someone's mother, father, son or daughter who tried their upmost to follow all the rules?
3. If you loved one dies because the NHS didn't have spaces would you be angry or would you accept it and move on without raising a complaint?
4. Why do you feel these rules the rest of us are following don't apply to you. You cannot just say because they are silly.

My point is how can you deliberately ignore these rules when they are there to save lives?

Police discretion is about how they enforce it. E.g fines etc. Round me people who drove to our local woods were given a £30 fine

But what are they enforcing then?

The law - as quoted above - does not restrict driving for exercise. So either the police are using discretion in their interpretation of the law itself (in which are my local force is interpreting driving as fine) or have to follow the law and using discretion as the the punishment, as per the fines - but the law does not forbid driving so who's deciding the law is wrong in this?

Which is the authority, the law or the police and if it's the police, how come the forces seem to be enforcing different interpretations of the rules?

I. Live. In. The. Middle. Of. Nowhere.

I don't see anyone. I could probably go out 10 times and Not see anyone. Because the blanket rules are for the whole country, including cities, towns and villages.

Please tell me what risk I am increasing by never seeing anyone? In a field. By that I might an actual farmers field. In the middle of loads of other fields.

Ask yourself, babydogandi, what are you getting out of this thread?

@FaFoutis people who think they are above the rest of us 🤷🏼‍♀️ people who can come up with millions of excuses as to why the law doesn't apply to them. People who would be the first to complain if themselves or a loved one didn't get medical attention. Those who love in rural areas still have to go to hospitals who serve areas other than rural if everyone lives by the attitude of its fine for me to do it then we have our problem

The more times you go in fields, Breathless, the greater the likelihood that you will have a horrible accident (trips, falls, tractors, Adder bites etc) and need our nhs, thus costing lives.
For the same reason we should not be using our stairs, kettles or indeed any electricity. Or attics.

The problem is everyone thinks it “just me”. Many “just me” adds up to a lot of collective actions and a big problem. Just stay the fuck at home. It’s a life or death situation. We are dealing with an invisible killer. There is no way you can confidently say your action has no impact on others. I repeat. Stay the fuck at home.

I don't think I'm above anyone. I think you should use common sense too. I think you should think critically and sometimes challenge authority if the authority is wrong.

I can't spread it if I don't see anyone.

I meant in terms of enjoyment and satisfaction. How is it making you feel?

Every time I have been out for a walk I see teenagers in small groups who I can't see being from the same household and people popping into the convenience store for snacks not essential shopping.

I'll stay in. I might use my attic to hang myself as there is no way I can do another week of this without some time to myself.

For those that are still trying to argue the finer points of the advice, please take it in the spirit in which it was given - as a means to protecting everyone and reducing the spread of the virus, the overall guidance that it offers could not be clearer - Stay Home Save Lives.

babydog there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. If you live in a tower block in London then going out for a walk once a day puts you at high risk of being within 2m of other people. If you live where I live then you can walk all day and easily be nowhere near 2m of anyone. It is far more important to obey the spirit than the letter of the law.

@BreathlessCommotion if you go out for one walk a day without your children I presume someone is looking after them? Whilst still following the guidelines you could still all go out together but you go one way for 30 mins and they go the other. Get your other person to take them out and you go out later on? There are plenty of way with only going out once you can still have the distance and time to yourself. With the lighter evenings now if the other person is still out at work you can go later on in the day

I am a good driver and have never had an accident. Pre lockdown a couple of weeks ago was driving to see very frail client must have hit a rock in the hedgerow in a rural road. Tyre shredded stuck in lay-by AA called trip to tyre place with AA man. Just an example of how a mundane short drive in local roads can take an unexpected turn. Because of that I was exposed to AA man and numerous workers at the tyre place. Fine normally. Now not so much.

@MsTSwift we'd had a MOT the day before I went out for a drive, this was a week pre lockdown. I was going 15 mins up the road to Tesco. My tyre shredded itself and I went into a hedge. AA came out, they drove me to home as it was late. They then sent out a different team in the morning to tow me to a garage to have the tyre changed. It was only a trip to get some chocolate - very expensive chocolate trip. But you can be the best, safest driver in the world but you can't predict the future

Anyone feel like part of the silent crowd?

Those of us that ARE following the rules as most people understand them, eg

• only going out to walk once a day
• not driving
• not going to a shop for anything other then absolutely essentials

Etc

But, crucially, also understanding that for some that will be much harder than others and so not begrudging someone a sneaky extra, remote walk if they need it? Or driving one mile up the road with a reactive dog to avoid street walking. Or picking up a chocolate bar whilst shopping for milk. Or popping out in the car locally with a toddler to help them sleep.

Is it just me that cares deeply about the outbreak and all those it will impact but struggles to get The Rage about other people's slight 'misdemeanours'?

Yes Furry. Most of us I think.
The need to exhibit compliance is very odd.

Is it just me that cares deeply about the outbreak and all those it will impact but struggles to get The Rage about other people's slight 'misdemeanours'?

I just don't get why someone thinks saying "just follow the rules FFS" is actually going to change anything. When has swearing at people ever been the best way to encourage them to see your POV?

Quite frankly I'm fed up. I'm fed up that people can't follow the rules and come up with any loophole possible or any excuse under the sun. I'm fed up that the government/medical professionals are begging people to stay at home to keep themselves and others safe but people can't/won't do it. I'm fed up that I have people moaning that their grandma wasn't admitted into hospital but then invite their neighbours round for 'afternoon tea'. I'm fed up that people seem to think they have a crystal ball and can tell no one will be walking near them when they have no real idea. I'm fed up that those in rural areas think they can get away with not doing things as it won't happen to them. People's attitudes to other people's lives stink

When people turn on each other they forget to hold their governments to account.

When people die it will not because breathless had an extra walk. It will be mostly the result of massive underfunding of medical services and a reluctance to test, test, test.

Remember, the more ICU and ventilators you have per headcount, the more people survive.

No one has proved that one walk a day vs two has the same impact.

Furry I think you are the majority.

Some people do like to follow rules exactly even when clearly inappropriate. Think of all those people who nearly drove off cliffs and such like because they blindly obeyed the TomTom.

I think it’s a natural reaction to your rights being taken away, a world the majority have never known, coupled with that the blatant disregard for any authority is seen as ‘fashionable’ for want of a better word

understanding that for some that will be much harder than others

Equity over equality any day.

I have only been out once a day for a week - to walk the dog. No other reason.

I don't get angry that breathless has been for two walks a day. I think how lucky I am not to need that. None of us has walked in another's shoes (pun intended).

Yes LadyGuffers.

'The rules' are not a guarantee that everything will be ok. Human beings made them up.