Why can't people follow the rules?

[babydogandi]

I'm confused

Every single day people post on here saying the rules are rubbish and why they shouldn't apply to them.
Every day people are arguing with those of us trying to follow the rules set out by OUR government.
I have some questions

1. Those of you who feel the rules are silly and ignore them - if you get ill enough will you be using the NHS to receive care?
2. If the answer to this is yes are you comfortable knowing you could be taking that care away from someone's mother, father, son or daughter who tried their upmost to follow all the rules?
3. If you loved one dies because the NHS didn't have spaces would you be angry or would you accept it and move on without raising a complaint?
4. Why do you feel these rules the rest of us are following don't apply to you. You cannot just say because they are silly.

My point is how can you deliberately ignore these rules when they are there to save lives?

Most people are following the rules.

The rules are there to slow the spread not stop the spread. The people that don't follow the rules will be part of the next month of infections. It's all part of the model.

The police are not covering themselves with glory here, are they? That sarcastic and passive aggressive response is awful.

It also doesn't help that the government has said one thing (that driving to exercise is fine - Cabinet Office), the law says another (doesn't forbid driving at all and doesn't place limits on type of frequency of exercise) and the police are saying something totally different again (don't buy crisps).

THIS is what makes 'the rules' hard to follow. No one in charge can bloody agree on them.

@Freshairimportanttoo I'd follow the rules to save lives anyway but defo not going to argue with police because I believe they're wrong. That's like saying I like smoking weed and the police saying it's wrong has no impact on me!
I refer you to my questions above if you choose not to follow the rules then would you complain if a loved one didn't get care and died? Would you be using the NHS etc?

I'm disgusted with my neighbourhood. It's like one big holiday, people walking about stopping for a long chat, popping to the shop and returning carrying a paper etc.

People across the way keep going out and she's been posting on Facebook that they are redecorating their whole house, and how busy B&Q has been.

@NuclearWinter this is another local forces response to the same question

You wouldn't argue with the police if you thought they were wrong? Our democracy is built on a history of protest and revolution. Women still wouldn't have the vote, because the law said it was wrong. The civil rights movement, trade unionism.

I don't want to live somewhere where people blindly follow rules, even when they don't make sense or don't agree with them.

And that is exactly how many people view drugs BTW.

But... What if the police are wrong? And that isn't actually what the LAW says. Who do you follow? The law or the police?

@BreathlessCommotion so answer the questions above then... if you are so much more important than other people?

I suspect peolle in cities are following the rules , I know where I am I can hear ambulance sirens all day

People who don't live in cities maybe don't notice the nhs workers going out and the ambulances driving around non stop

I'm not more important than anyone else. My dd and dh have chronic asthma and my dad has COPD. I take covid 19 very seriously.

But I'm also a critical thinker and understand behavioural psychology.

@bigchris we've heard so many sirens today 😢😢 people need to see beyond themselves. As they keep saying if we don't work together now we have no hope. We're being asked to sit at home it's not hard!

It's a nicer post but logic would say it's using popular places that is the problem, not the driving, That force seems concerned about driving leading to crowding.

2 or 3 days ago Michael Gove was saying driving a short way to exercise was fine.

In a similar timeframe, a Cabinet Office spokesperson was on record saying the same.

The law says exercise is a reasonable excuse to leave the house. It doesn't restrict types of exercise, it doesn't restrict driving, it doesn't limit the length of time or frequency of that exercise. Our principle of law in the UK is that you can do anything you like unless the law prohibits it - which therefore means you can drive to exercise because it's not prohibited.

Despite this, multiple police forces are saying you cannot drive to exercise but this doesn't appear to backed up by anything.

Driving isn't the only example. Most people think 'the rules' allow four reasons to leave the house (exercise, medical, food, work) but the law gives 13 reasons!

To be clear I am NOT driving. I am locked up at home going out for one walk a day. But I can still understand why people are struggling with 'the rules'.

@BreathlessCommotion so why do you feel like the rules should not apply to you, just because you don't like them? If you'd expect yourself and your loved ones to get care then follow the damn rules. Even the NHS are asking us to stay home surely that means something to you!!

Well it is of you have a. ASD child who has violent meltdowns and struggle to keep your other child safe. Or if you have a serious mental illness, for which outdoor exercise is recommended by you mental health team.

That's me. I'm going out twice a day. Once on my own to stop me killing myself. Then once with dog and children/child.

I will say again. I don't see a single soul. I walk across agricultural fields (well the edge). You can't see another building, human, road, structure. Tell me how this is a risk?

How is taking six short walks a day near your home breaking 'the rules'?

If you live someone quiet and rural you are unlikely to see someone at all when out and about.

Yeah except all my friends and family who work in the NHS (a nurse, midwife, technical officer and registrar) have all said what I'm doing is fine.

Because.... The rules are made so black and white due to human psychology and how some people don't understand and therefore go too far. Flipping heck you are hard work.

Answer my question - whodo you obey, the police or the law? Because they say different things as outlined above.

They can’t issue twenty sets of instructions depending on circumstance. Obviously going out twice in Kensington is different to going out twice in an isolated hamlet where you won’t see anyone but they can’t rely on common sense because it’s sadly lacking, and everyone thinks they’re a special case eg my collie needs three walks, I need to run for my mental health, I’ve got five kids in a flat, I’m only popping out to see Brenda and get the paper and visit the allotment and get some fags and vino and go to the chippy. Everyone is selfish.

Breathless over the past few days Ive come to the conclusion that some posters competley lack any common sense and are unable to think crtically about this situation. They are like sheep with this constant harping on about 'the rules' and 'instructions'.

@BreathlessCommotion on the news it was stated that they have given deliberately vague definitions so that the police can use their discretion as to what constitutes a necessary journey. Therefore police are acting lawfully, they are of the belief that driving to exercise is not necessary and neither is risking lives by going out more than once a day. As someone with 'complex' mental health issues having to cut down to one walk a day has been difficult but I have done it to help save others lives. We are waking as a family most the time and are coping well with that.
I follow the government guidelines in which they have given the police discretion so therefore follow police.

And do you also have a child with SEND with violent outbursts?

I'm not driving to the lake district for a walking holiday. I'm walking from my house in a 3 mile circuit. And not meeting anyone.

But you're right. I'll stay at home and be assaulted constantly with no respite.

Even though it makes no scientific sense.

it was stated that they have given deliberately vague definitions so that the police can use their discretion as to what constitutes a necessary journey

Good news for me then. My local police force has not said anything about not being able to drive for exercise so presumably, under their discretion, it's fine for me?

Feel a bit silly for walking locally now

@MugsOfTea guidance is not to do it. Police discretion is about how they enforce it. E.g fines etc. Round me people who drove to our local woods were given a £30 fine

babydongani if government rules or advice told you to jump off a cliff or throw yourself in a fire would you do it?

@BreathlessCommotion unfortunately I grew up in a DV situation, I know how it feels to be relentlessly hurt and I know how awful it is. However the scientific evidence is there, the less times you go out the less chance there is to interact with people, the less chance you could be in an accident etc.
The purpose is to begin to stop/slow the spread and relieve pressure off the NHS so if you needed help you could get it.

@Applejaxx we're being asked to stay at home and only go out once a day unless it falls into another essential category hardly think it's comparable to throwing yourself in a fire