To ask why people are worried about 5G?

[malificent7]

Some are even linking it to covid 19! So if you are worried about 5G is it due to radiation? Do you think it will cause cancer?can you point me to research?

There were less autistic, overweight, depressed people 50 years ago

Autism wasn’t very readily recognised 50 years ago. Autistic people were there, just not diagnosed as such.
Overweight people have always existed but now it’s easier to be over weight with so much food about, less physical work and more likely to drive than walk.
As with autism depression wasn’t diagnosed.

Next.

There are good reasons for objecting to Huawei but they've got bugger all to do with 5G as such.

^This.

Don’t conflate the politics and the science.

*FlamingoAndJohn

But you can’t switch the radio off. You can switch off the receiver but not the radio signals.*

It was particularly irresponsible of the BBC to transmit the Goon Show on both the Home and Light Service.

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190722005154/en/U.N.-Environment-Programme-Urged-Protect-Nature-Humankind In the letter to UNEP, Magda Havas, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Trent University School of the Environment, Canada, details serious effects on plants, insects and wildlife from electromagnetic fields that are well documented in the scientific literature.

Ronald Melnick, Ph.D., Advisor to The Appeal and former scientist at the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP) within the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who managed the design and development of the NTP's recently published $30 million animal study showing a clear link between radio frequency radiation (RFR) and cancer, states: “Results from the NTP study show that the previously held assumption that radiofrequency radiation cannot cause cancer or other adverse health effects is clearly wrong.”

@Patchworksack I think i probably must know your DH! He and I are doing the same thing work wise. It’s been a tough few weeks.

The vandalism of the masts is beyond idiotic. As Patchwork says there are blue light services coming from those masts and no 5g, so it’s blatant, pointless, highly damaging vandalism borne from total ignorance. We’ve also had fibre optic cables which only supply landline services and internet ripped off flats - rendering homes with no facility to keep in touch with their families, work from home, or just use the internet. You’d be as well vandalising fresh air for the connection to 5g that cabling has - it’s totally off the mark.

@Scautish you’d have got on well with my grandfather. He was a professor of physics. His speciality was xrays but was also very interested in light and things like wave division multiplexing. Hence why I’ve ended up inspired enough to be working by putting light down fibre optic cables for a living!

Some of the posts on this thread are either hilarious trolling or a deeply depressing insight into the human psyche.

IMO conspiracy theorists are mostly very insecure. They want to feel part of 'the In Crowd' so they believe any shite they read on Facebook as it gives them a sense of importance that they are clever enough to see through the government lies, while the rest of society is oblivious. The more insane Facebook videos they watch, the more Facebook curates their newsfeed towards conspiracy related content and so down they spiral, into a pit of 9/11 hoaxes, anti vax propaganda, the moon landings were faked sites, until that's all they see. It's sad really.

Happybunny199 "it is a "radiation" and its oficially cofirmed by its inventors" visible light is radiation too. When you look at a rose it is entering your eyes and making changes to your retina. Be AFRAID!

They want to feel part of 'the In Crowd' so they believe any shite they read on Facebook as it gives them a sense of importance that they are clever enough to see through the government lies, while the rest of society is oblivious.

But not clever enough to know some very basic science. If they're capable of using google they ought to be able to find something that matches their level of comprehension.

Emigrantxxs Mon "No one really knows what negative effect it will have in 5, 10 or 25 years time" actually there's this thing called science that we have on our planet. Why not visit some time and see for yourself?

ErrolTheDragon

But not clever enough to know some very basic science. If they're capable of using google they ought to be able to find something that matches their level of comprehension.

I don't think it's actually about knowing the facts though (despite their claims). They want the emotion of feeling important and knowledgeable, of feeling like they've figured out a difficult puzzle, that they're intelligent and part of an exclusive club. The facts are irrelevant; the emotion is the only thing that matters to them.

That's why conspiracy theorists push back so hard on actual science; to acknowledge their beliefs are wrong would be to acknowledge that they as a person are not intelligent, or important, or any of the other beliefs they hold about themselves. They'd deny any fact, no matter how much proof there was, to continue holding this belief about themselves. We can't use logic and reason to get someone out of a position they didn't logically reason themselves into.

I feel sorry for them for their insecurities, while also thinking they should be held to account for endangering other people (e.g. not vaccinating their children or damaging phone masts).

@LuluBellaBlue

That is a conspiracy theory website founded by an anti-vaxxer

How much do know about it? Have you researched how it vets its information? Is it peee-reviewed science?

This is the huge fucking problem we are faced with and you are contributing to it; people believing everything they read. Not questioning sources (so actually it’s perfectly right for any poster here to question my credentials, however hopefully the information I am sharing matches that from reputable websites) and thinking that without any formal scientific training they are able to understand extremely complex issues.

If your best mate started advising you about your Granny’s open-heart surgery because she’s watched a video on that website - would you take it to the consultant and insist you know more than her?

Stop sharing this shite. Learn some science AND also how scientific theories are researched, tested, vetted and published. It is deliberately a rigorous process.

m.youtube.com/watch?t=5s&v=ie6lRKAdvuY see the comments. Im glad more and more people are genuinly questioning and making right conclusions

YouTube comments? What's next, your going to link to 4chan?

I think the concern is the lack of testing. Some countries have a moratorium until there is evidence one way or another. Is it safe not it? No one knows as the data is not there

Those comments are properly scary!
Pretend to be about fact and science and then rant in about the Mark of the Beast...Bloody hell.

5G causes Coronavirus....
I’ve heard some shit in my time but this one takes the biscuit.
How have countries with no 5G caught it then?
Engineers have been attacked on the job by fucking loons who believe this .
Anyone who thinks this is entirely possible should stop using phones and the internet immediately so these engineers don’t have to waste any time on you coming to your house when you can’t get on porn hub or watch reality tv from your pit

Emigrantxxs:

”Here’s my irrefutable source: YouTube comments”

That’s fucking hilarious.

Please keep posting, the more you do, the more foolish you look.

Its funny how some people get so angry, worked up and offensive. This shouldnt be if you knew you werent in the wrong. Unless you are in the team of depressed and obese then sorry to offend you personally.

Thank you for the scientific answers on here, they've helped me understand a lot more.

I watched a documentary about 5G towers and people measuring the radiation nearby and it does spread a shit load of radiation. I think its like 30% over the allowed "legal" limits. However whether that would affect peoples health is a question that can only be answered after its fully rolled out in every town of this country. So I guess to answer to OP - people are worried about radiation, yes. People are worried about their health. It doesnt make anyone less educated or less smart. We are human and we do worry about stuff.

I'm not really at the stage where i'm ready to dismiss anything.

1)I don't really understand just how much 5g differs from 3 and 4g and how exactly it's linked to the Chinese government.

2)China, as a government has shown little compassion for its own citizens and is now coming out with quite obvious lies about its current rate of infection. (150 new cases a day in a population of several billion? Righto ) so quite frankly I wouldn't put anything past them.

1. There's something a bit too 'neat' about Boris getting it, being gravely ill and recovering. I'm just not buying it. I'm not saying I know better, i'm just going on the Boris i've 'known' for decades: a dishonest, callous neo-liberal showman who probably would have sold his own grandmother if he thought there was something in it for him. People don't change that much!

4, If nothing else, I think the UK and US governments deliberately allowed the virus to spread unchecked for the first few months whereas others were far quicker on lockdown. Both countries are now paying with their death toll.

Emigrantsxxs

People get worked up because some keep sharing total rubbish rather than some actual proof that 5G causes X Y or Z or indeed Covid-19 as some would have you believe.

The strange beliefs of people on Youtube after watching a video isn't proof that 5G causes anything, it also doesn't prove than we are all 'going to be chipped' /that the government are spreading chemicals all over the place/1984 is happening/that Bill Gates planned all this/we are being watched/ and all the other things that people are posting at present.

People are scared but that doesn't mean that they (you included) should spread unfounded rubbish... if you want to post some actual peer reviewed science then go ahead and I for one would like to read it but not youtube/facebook/social media stuff please.

also, mn has 2 million users, apparently. 10,000 people have now died from covid in the uk, and yet most threads here are "I'm bored of lockdown/aibu to take the kids outside". The number of threads where someone is really worried about having the virus or they've lost a loved one is much smaller than I've been expecting.

People are worried about their health. It doesnt make anyone less educated or less smart.

No ... but many of the people supporting conspiracy theories display clear evidence of being less educated (to the point of being pretty much scientifically illiterate, not even schoolkid level of basic physics) and less smart (various logic fails). If you choose to give any credence to these people, more fool you.