To ask why people are worried about 5G?

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Some are even linking it to covid 19! So if you are worried about 5G is it due to radiation? Do you think it will cause cancer?can you point me to research?

I have a Facebook friend who keeps posting all this bollocks. Lots of crackpot YouTube videos and other articles. I can’t tell if she’s just really thick or developing some kind of mental health issue.

My neighbour who is at best a few sandwiches short of a picnic said to me (while we were out clapping on the first Thurs 8pm session) "oh bunny its so worrying, have you noticed how many Virgin Media Vans are driving about spreading the 5g"
I was

The phone masts that have been destroyed are not even 5g. They are, however, crucial for the 111/999 call routing which is obviously under intense pressure anyway. My DH designs phone networks for BT, he is working flat out on facilitating the comms for the new Nightingale hospitals. What a bastard.

Event 201 was a John Hopkins founded tabletop exercise about what would happen in the event of a global pandemic.

It was one of many many such exercises but some nuts think because it was very recent it is proof that 'The Government' knew this was going to happen.

The Uk did a similar exercise in 2016, but that one is not getting as much publicity because it being 4 years old doesn't fit the conspiracy theory so well.

EVENT 201 was funded by Bill Gates and the excersise was called "coronavirus" exactly one month before this Covid19 pandemic started. Must have been a coincidence. Bill Gates is also funding the corona vaccine research however none of his own children ever received a single vaccine themselves. Must be a coincidence. It all must be a coincidence. So they say on TV 😉😉 If it shows on TV - its true. 😉

I think the COVID link is probably nonsense.

But, I would love to hear the science demonstrating the clear safety of 5G to human health that people are referring to, I can't find any.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6765906/
[Peer reviewed scientific journal article from last year] "The available studies do not provide adequate and sufficient information for a meaningful safety assessment, or for the question about non-thermal effects. There is a need for research regarding local heat developments on small surfaces, e.g., skin or the eye, and on any environmental impact. Our quality analysis shows that for future studies to be useful for safety assessment, design and implementation need to be significantly improved."

I'm just concerned that because everyone is piling on to distance themselves from the 'tinfoil hat brigade' reasonable caution is going to be shouted down. I believe the concern often shared is with the much higher ghz of radiation omitted by 5g towers?

I'm genuinely not pushing a conspiracy theory, if someone could explain why it's all actually fine and safe I would be pleased.

@DuchenneParent

I have tried to explain in my previous post that 5G radiation is electromagnetic radiation of which we are exposed every day via the sun (and indeed from screen you are reading MN on) and many other sources. It is only the really really small wavelength (which has much much higher energy levels) that is dangerous (and visible light is closer in wavelength to this type of radiation than “5G radiation”)

People need to understand the word “radiation” and its context with respect to the electromagnetic spectrum.

@Gorgeous991 Coronavirus isn't a name of a disease, it's a definition of a type of virus, see attached dictionary definition.

In 2004 RAND conducted a similar exercise focused on an influenza type pandemic

In 2015 The International Journal of Infectious diseases modelled a pandemic based on SARS and Ebola.

Event 201 was actually called Clade-X and was modelled on a CoronaVirus pandemic.

In 2016 UK had exercise Cygnus which modelled an influenza based pandemic

Although, have you watch Contagion yet the film with Kate Winslet as that pretty spot on to what we're experiencing now, maybe the writer of that film or the producers spread the virus as a marketing ploy!

@Scautish Thank you for your reply. You're right, I am far from an expert! Can you explain what GHZ refers to, and why higher levels in this context aren't a concern? It it because with this type of wavelength, it doesn't matter? My impression was that it was the intensity and that the health effects were unknown, but again, I would rather that not be the case!

GHz are Giga Hertz. One hertz means one vibration per second. Giga means 1,000,000,000 vibrations per second.

The more vibrations per second, the more energy an electromagnetic wave so x-rays have far more energy than microwaves

In fact an x-ray vibrates

1,000,000,000,000,000,000 times per second!

(And blue light around 1,000,000,000,000,000 times)

So it sounds like a lot, but compared to xrays it’s not! And then you have gamma rays and they are even worse than x-rays (and One of the the reasons Chernobyl was so scary but I’m not expert on nuclear stuff so I’ll leave that to them)

But all this radiation is part of same spectrum. And 5G radiation has a lower frequency (and thus lower energy) than even visible Light, let alone UV, X-ray or gamma.

Have attached chart from NASA which probably summarises what I’ve said in far clearer and succinct way.

Can you explain what GHZ refers to, and why higher levels in this context aren't a concern?

GHz is gigahertz- this is the frequency of the radiation being used for 5G. Frequency is inversely related to wavelength so the shorter the wavelength (millimetres in this case) the higher the frequency.

Microwave radiation is in the kilohertz range, so lower frequency. Visible light is in the terahertz range so higher frequency.

Ionising radiation - x-rays, gamma rays - are yet higher ranges.

But xrays are bad for you. In my country you are only recommended to have no more than 1 xray within 12months period to not adversely affect your health. But it sounds like constant 5G "waves" wont do anything? You can switch your radio and microwave off. You can have less than 1 xray a year. But you wont get a break from 5G as it will be ON ALL THE TIME. Where does 5G fit in your chart @Scautish?

You've got to be joking?

But xrays are bad for you. In my country you are only recommended to have no more than 1 xray within 12months period to not adversely affect your health. But it sounds like constant 5G "waves" wont do anything?

X-rays are ionising radiation. They are sufficiently energetic to cause chemical bonds to break. The frequencies used for 5G are many orders of magnitude lower, lower than visible light. They are incapable of the damage which can be caused by ionizing radiation, no matter how much the exposure is. This has already been explained multiple times on this thread.

You can’t switch the sun off either and it is constantly casting huge huge levels of radiation on the earth.

Please read earlier posts. X-rays are v v v bad in anything other than medical quantities. But 5g radiation has nothing like the energy of x-rays. Visible light is closer to x-rays than 5g and I’m assuming you don’t mind having lights, screens and of course sunlight in your house.

Though both X-rays and 5G radiation are on the same spectrum the effect on humans of each is completely incomparable.

In terms of energy levels, and having done a very quick and possibly incorrect calculation, if the energy of 5G radiation is like a car travelling at 30mph, the energy of x-rays would be the same car travelling at over 2500mph. Basically x-rays have about 10,000,000,000x the energy of 5G radiation.

@Gorgeous991 5g radiation is around the microwave section. 4G is radiowave section.

Ok so 5G frequency will be less than visible light but more than microwave? Who wants to live in constant 24/7 365days a year waves like in a MICROWAVE? And you are saying that 5G frequency is LESS just because the Govnt told you? Scientist can tell you anything if they are paid for it. Dont be so gullible

@Scautish so is microwave not harmfull to people? If you put your head inside it for a week so something - wouldnt it harm you? Is there any actual confirmation that 5g and microwaves dont cause long term health issues?

And you are saying that 5G frequency is LESS just because the Govnt told you?

No, it's because it's the laws of physics. A very simple one that I thought kids got taught in schools.

The intensity of microwaves in an oven are higher. They're of a very specific frequency which causes water molecules to rotate. A low exposure to this particular frequency would warm you up slightly. The experiments have been done, no long term harm was found.

I'm a scientist and no amount of money would persuade me to tell harmful lies.

Best rip out the granite kitchen, worry about flights you took as a kid, stay clear of Devon and never, ever eat a banana if you're going to start fussing about 5g.

I have a PhD in physics. I spent many years playing with lasers and the electromagnetic spectrum. The government did pay for my PhD but had no influence whatsoever on the results of my experiments (which are public information, in both my thesis which is, like all UK theses, in the British Library as well as in the scientific papers I wrote and that were published in high quality peer-reviewed journals)

And if you see my link above, I actually measured the speed of light using my microwave and some marshmallows just the other day. You could do this too (I know you won’t)

I really, really wish you understood how ignorant and damaging your comments are. You are unequivocally and rather embarrassingly talking complete and utter rubbish.

Can you not read? Or are you being deliberately thick? Previous posters have already explained this to you, in quite simple terms, and you're ignoring it and talking about putting your head in a microwave.

Best rip out the granite kitchen

My DH and I are both chemistry PhDs - I used X-ray equipment in my PhD. Most granite is OK but some may not be. As we don't have a Geiger counter we opted for a quartz worktop. Which was probably OTT.

But we have a microwave oven and aren't worried about 5G.

The answer to the thread title is becoming increasingly clear - people worry about 5G because they're scientifically illiterate and so gullible they believe randoms off the Internet.

It’s not completely tin hat territory, though, is it? Mobile phone EM radiation has been linked (although not conclusively, by any stretch) to increased risk of a certain type of cancer. The WHO has classed it as a type 2b carcinogen.

www.iarc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf