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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 34

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RosieSunset · 26/03/2020 13:38

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pocketem · 28/03/2020 08:40

Well worth a read - The Lancet today castigates the government for doing absolutely nothing to get prepared for the pandemic in January and February despite warnings from China and South Korea. The UK govt advisers arrogantly thought they knew better than the 'foreign' experts at the WHO etc. Even those week, Oxbridge Jenny the deputy CMO was scoffing at the WHO'S advise to "test, test, test" which has been successful in minimising the outbreak in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea etc, - Jenny claimed that advice was only for poor countries and not for a well developed one like the UK

CharlieTangoBanana · 28/03/2020 08:45

We've had a worrying night, my son in law has been in direct contact with a confirmed case and is self isolating, they are lucky that they don't live in the UK and there is widespread testing and contact tracing where they are.

I'm worried about him but more worried about DD because she has had treatment for cancer and is immune compromised as a result. She's also asthmatic. There was a four day lag between the contact, which was prolonged and the contact becoming unwell and being tested and obviously they were in close contact for all of that time.

This whole situation is absolutely crap for everyone.

middleager · 28/03/2020 08:53

Sorry to hear about your family Charlie hope they will be ok.

That Lancet article is great. I'm going to share that with family who think BJ has done a great job, who hang on every word the 'experts' say, who laughed at and dismissed my fears in Jan/Feb.

They only believe 'experts' or if somebody is male. Shock

LarryDuff · 28/03/2020 09:33

Can someone post a link to the Twitter posts showing the updated graphs each day please

mrshoho · 28/03/2020 09:38

I hope your family remain well Charlie. Good that they have been tested as will hopefully put their minds at rest but it iui s a worrying time.

I'm pleased that the Lancet has published that article. It verifies what our medical staff have been telling us despite the hollow reassurance every day in the press conferences.

Cupofteaandtoilet · 28/03/2020 09:56

This is an interesting and informative article. Apologies if already posted.

www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-virologist-explains-what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-covid-19-9104220/

Derbygerbil · 28/03/2020 09:58

Amazing how this was how things were just a month ago... Italy having a total of 400 cases was deemed big news, and we were still saying it might not become a pandemic.

Jourdain11 · 28/03/2020 10:04

A question about symptoms.... does anyone know if diarrhoea can be an onset symptom?

I was running to the loo all night! And now I have a sore throat... but it may just be dehydration because of the above.

But I am slightly worried, to tell the truth!

middleager · 28/03/2020 10:05

Jour

Yes it can be. Many are calling for it to be included in the symptoms.

Hopefully just a dickie tummy.

RedToothBrush · 28/03/2020 10:08

A lot of reports circulating twitter about civil unrest on the Hubei border.

It seems that police in the neighbouring province Jiangxi were unhappy at restrictions being lifted and don't trust official figures suggesting that there have been no new cases of covid-19.

They crossed the border bridge and clashed with police from Hubei province as they set up an unofficial border point in Hubei where they have no jurisdiction. The police started fighting and this resulted in people rushing to the border to support their police and it ending up as a full on riot with people from Hubei protesting at the Jiangxi police actions and wanting to cross the bridge into Jiangxi.

I can well see unrest happening at the end if restrictions and huge amounts of mistrust in other places around the world out of fear.

Perhaps not quite like this but certainly a building up of tension, frustration and a feeling of needing something to give to let that all out.

In the UK I am envisaging people going slightly made and drinking far to much and there being Saturday night style violence as a result.

Jourdain11 · 28/03/2020 10:10

middleager thank you! I thought I remember someone saying - but it is not in the "official" symptoms.

I'm really hoping it's just a slightly upset stomach. I was up like every 20 minutes in the night, it was ridiculous Hmm But okay so far this morning. Hopefully something I ate!

colouringinpro · 28/03/2020 10:16

thanks for the lancet article pocket I am appalled by the CMO/advisers approach which clearly shows they thought they knew better than WHO and rest of the world.

charlie thinking of you and your family.

cloudy here today. due to finish self isolating end of today! am going to pop down to Boots just before they shut to pick up repeat prescription of anti Ds....

RosieSunset · 28/03/2020 10:17

Article in the Telegraph that 2m social distancing May not be sufficient:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/27/social-distancing-new-study-suggests-two-metres-not-enough/

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colouringinpro · 28/03/2020 10:18

In the UK I am envisaging people going slightly made and drinking far to much

yep.

RedToothBrush · 28/03/2020 10:19

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-52074862?__twitter_impression=true
Coronavirus: UK wary of international market for ventilators

But the UK has so far tried to avoid purchasing from some of the intermediaries offering equipment.

The market price for one particular type of ventilator increased in a week from $27,000 (£21,700) to $96,000 (£77,100) - a sign of just how intense the demand is.

The British CEO of one company based in the Middle East has been repeatedly offering to sell equipment to the UK government since March 17.

And

A British-based contact of the supplier got in touch with Cabinet Office ministers and other officials through multiple channels, including MPs and other ministers, but the offer has not been taken up in London, leading to frustration that potentially life-saving kit which the NHS is in urgent need of, is being passed over. The contact said he was not seeking to profit from making the connection.

And

A number of companies have been asked to make ventilators in the UK but it is unclear when they will be ready. The government has also said a mix-up meant it missed the deadline to join an EU scheme to obtain extra ventilators.

Sources deny that red tape is holding up international procurement and say they are trying to procure directly from suppliers rather than through middlemen.

It is thought there have been cases where offers have been made of equipment which turn out not to exist, or where multiple agents were offering the same items. There is also the concern that items might not meet the correct standards.

Some testing kits purchased by countries, including Spain, have shown low levels of accuracy, making them unusable.

RosieSunset · 28/03/2020 10:20

Social distancing: new study suggests two metres is not enough
People may still be at risk even when they are more than two metres away from an infected person
By
Sarah Knapton,
SCIENCE EDITOR
27 March 2020 • 7:00pm

The two-metre social distancing rule being used to keep people apart may need to be four times bigger to prevent coronavirus from spreading, a new study by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggests.

Currently, people are being asked to keep a distance of around 6ft 6in when out in the community, and many supermarkets have now stuck lines of tape to the floor to ensure adequate separation between shoppers when queuing.

But the new analysis by MIT has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 33ft to 100ft per second (ten metres to 100 metres), creating a cloud that can span approximately 23ft to 27ft (seven metres to eight metres).

The researchers also warned that droplets can stay suspended in the air for hours, moving along airflow patterns imposed by ventilation or climate-control systems.

Virus particles have already been found in the ventilation systems of hospital rooms of patients with coronavirus, which the MIT team believe could have been carried on "turbulent clouds" of air.

Scientists said the research had implications for both the public and healthcare workers, who may not realise they need to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) even when they are not in close proximity to an infected patient.

Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Jama), the authors said that current distance guidelines may be too short. "These distances are based on estimates of range that have not considered the possible presence of a high-momentum cloud carrying the droplets long distances.

"Given the turbulent puff cloud dynamic model, recommendations for separations of three feet to six feet (one metre to two metres) may underestimate the distance, timescale, and persistence over which the cloud and its pathogenic payload travel, thus generating an underappreciated potential exposure range for a healthcare worker.

"For these and other reasons, wearing of appropriate personal protection equipment is vitally important for health care workers caring for patients who may be infected, even if they are farther than six feet away from a patient."

A separate study in the same journal by Chinese researchers also showed that the virus can survive well in the warm, humid conditions of a swimming baths

It was hoped that when the weather warms up , coronavirus might die away, which is usually what happens with seasonal flu. But the new study suggests that this might not happen.

Nanjing Medical University in China found that after one infected man visited a bath house in the town of Huai’an, about 435 miles northeast of Wuhan, eight people using the pool contracted the coronavirus in the following days.

The virus appeared to survive despite the temperature of the pool being between 25 degrees Celsius and 41 degrees Celsius and humidity of approximately 60 per cent, conditions that normally would have killed a virus like flu.

"Previous studies have demonstrated that the transmission rate of a virus is significantly weakened in an environment with high temperature and humidity," author Dr Qilong Wang wrote.

"However, judging from the results of this study, the transmissibility showed no signs of weakening in warm and humid conditions."

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MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2020 10:20

Alcohol consumption will likely go up but I still don’t think unrest. Other bad consequences though.

FingonTheValiant · 28/03/2020 10:41

Thanks everyone who replied, I assumed FT paywall was still in place Flowers

woodencoffeetable · 28/03/2020 10:42

I found a simple enough for me sewing pattern for simple face masks.

but I find conflicting advice if they are ok for going to the shops for example.
anyone know?

the pattern uses 2 layers of thick cotton (fat quarters or bedding).

AvocadoOwl · 28/03/2020 10:42

@Jourdain11 my eldest had diarrhoea and a sore throat last weekend. Dry cough started on Monday. His cough has got worse and worse but he's reasonably fine in himself. No fever at any point. Of course he could have any old virus though 🤷‍♀️

I was coughing a little last night and today my chest feels a bit like it does after going for a run in sub-zero temperatures (weird comparison I know but we used to live somewhere very cold and it's the closest thing I can compare it to!). Strange pain that's not quite pain... more on the sharper side of discomfort. I am keenly aware that my anxiety is sky high and my brain is the master of psychosomania though.

Who knows.

FingonTheValiant · 28/03/2020 10:51

wooden i saw someone saying that lots of hoover bags have hepa filters and if making your own masks it might not be a bad idea to get hold of a vacuum hepa filter and sew it in.