Delay in today's numbers

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Unless I'm being really stupid, it doesn't look like the numbers have been updated for today, it still says 24th March

www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Not seen any reasons as to why they are delayed?

He didnt say it would be over by Easter, he said the peak would be in 2-3 weeks.

Imperial college London. One of the professors who advises the government are saying that they now feel the nhs won’t be breached if we keep this up, and that deaths could be way lower than the 20k, and that this could potentially be over by Easter.

Which would be fabulous. Let’s all cling onto some green shoots of hope.

Thanks @Bluntness100 for the positive post.

And I don’t see why the daily mail is any more irresponsible with their headline on is it working than the other scaremongering shit they’ve been publishing.

Yes - a (sort of) positive headline. How dare they?

Do we test for CV19 in community deaths or only those admitted to hospital?

Yes, we test post mortem

Only sudden unexplained deaths get a PM don't they?

So my friends stepdad died a few days ago at home, chest infection & no test done as he was elderly and quite ill.... GP feels it was CV that caused the secondary chest infection that didn't respond to AB.

IF this is normal practice then these daily figures are inaccurate, would also be good to see he normalised daily morbidity figures and excess daily deaths comparisons.

Cheltenham took place on the 10th to the 13th of March. There seems an attempt on this thread to rewrite history.

Not a lot of social distancing going on then.

This situation is very fast moving, it’s hard to predict.

It is factual that imperial college who issued their initial report have revised their views and put forward publicly a much more positive view.

All we can do is watch and wait, do as we are told, follow the rules, and see how this pans out.

A responsible journalist would wait a few days to see if the lower figures were a trend or a blip before announcing ‘ the measures are working’. What after three days?
These deaths are people who have picked up the virus at least 5 weeks ago.... transmission will have increased since then exponentially as we only went in to lock down on Monday...

I do have some hope we may not be as bad as Italy as we aren’t as touchy-feely. Plus our older generation don’t live with us. I think it was circulating for quite a while there unknown.

Cheltenham took place on the 10th to the 13th of March. There seems an attempt on this thread to rewrite history.

It did. With a lot of dismay and condemnation. The packed stands were I the papers because people coudlnt believe it was going ahead.

Lots of medical people on TV said it shouldnt have been. However, there were no official bans. Just like when several concerts went ahead the same week. The script and sterophonics, if I recall.

The fact that the organisers went ahead, is entirely their responsibility and to their shame, because it was recommended it didnt go ahead.

Pretending that 2 weeks ago, life was normal and no one was asked to do things differently, is rewriting what happened.

I don’t think two weeks ago we suddenly implemented such strong measures for that to have an impact on the death rate today.

I agree, they arent impacting numbers now. But there were measures in place. Not very strong ones, but they were some in place.

Yep @alloutoffucks precisely two weeks ago Cheltenham festival was in full swing. People do have short memories. The Liverpool Madrid match people? That was all that week. The Rugby was still on etc etc.

What measures were in place two weeks ago?!!
Washing our hands?

He didnt say it would be over by Easter, he said the peak would be in 2-3 weeks.

By that he will mean peak infections or possibly peak death rate, which is entirely plausible, NOT. that it will all be over! It’s a bit like saying a fire’s all sorted when the flames reach their highest point!

The organisers went ahead because the government said it was fine to do so. Why would they cancel and lose all that money against government advice? Now I don’t believe it should have gone ahead. Along with the Liverpool Madrid game (I mean all those fans flying in from the hotspot of Madrid!!). But the government had not enforced any measures at this point.

Herd immunity was Dominic Cummings theory. It was quietly dropped when multiple scientists told him it was bollocks.
We are now all supposed to forget it was ever mentioned.

And you know the kind of people who were complaining about Cheltenham and other events going ahead with government blessing? The kind of people here who are saying it is far too early to say if this is a blip or things are getting better. And the kind of people questioning the mortality rates.

Precisely because we dont just believe what we are told. We read elsewhere and check things out.

Derbygerbil

I know that, it was literally the point I was making

What measures were in place two weeks ago?!! Washing our hands?

Amongst other things. The bank of england had already reduced the interest rate. Do you think they did this for the laugh?

People travelling in for certain countries had to isolate for 2 weeks automatically, more than 2 weeks ago.

Social distancing had started. Things had started to be cancelled, not everything (which was ridiculous).

Pretending everything was normal because a few people decided to go ahead with events, is odd.

Just bloody search mumsnet yourself for threads with people talking about it The self isolation advice (re coughs and colds) that was given....on here. It's not even that hard to find it

A colleague has been in self isolation for 2 weeks, because she got a fever.

But lets pretend life was normal 2 weeks ago. I do not believe these measures would be showing and improvement. But life wasnt normal, there were things in place.

Personally, I find it disturbing that they are no longer saying "all of the deaths have been in the elderly and x number had underlying conditions" .

They are not mentioning the healthy 21, 36, and 47 year olds with no underlying conditions who died.

I don't mean by this that elderly or people with underlying conditions don't matter.

precisely two weeks ago Cheltenham festival was in full swing. People do have short memories.

Which means anyone who caught CV at this event will have begun showing symptoms just over a week ago (average time from contracting the virus to showing symptoms = five days). If it takes an average of 18 days to die from CV, then we should see any deaths caused by the mass gathering at Cheltenham reflected in the death toll figures in around nine days time.

People travelling in for certain countries had to isolate for 2 weeks automatically, more than 2 weeks ago

Not true at all...... "advised" not "had to"

Even now, there is no enforcement and as can be seen from last weekends trips to rural areas, many people don't give a stuff.

Not true at all...... "advised" not "had to"

Nope. My kids flew back from Italy on 9th march. They were staying with their dad for a few days after by the afternoon of the 10th the advice was anyone coming in from Italy (amongst other countries) from the 9th march should must self isolate, symptoms or no symptoms.

I spoke to NHS direct that afternoon myself, as did my employer as I was left ina situation where I went and isolated with them, losing 2 weeks pay. Or didnt see them.

They are now out of that isolation, so it was definitely more than 2 weeks ago.

But lets pretend life was normal 2 weeks ago. I do not believe these measures would be showing and improvement. But life wasnt normal, there were things in place.

I agree, I do payroll for a company employing 250 people, 2 weeks ago today 3 employees started isolating, then on the Monday 25 people also started isolating and 4 were off with possible symptoms, so they haven't been in work for 13 days as at today then on average 4 people a day started working from home until this Monday when work closed for the foreseeable future.

People were starting to take this serious 2 weeks ago, but as pp said that would only affect yesterday infection rate not the death rate.

Even now, there is no enforcement and as can be seen from last weekends trips to rural areas, many people don't give a stuff.

So the fact that some people are breaking the current rule, means that the rules are just recommendations....not actual rules?

Give over. The fact that people were ignoring what the government and NHS direct were saying over 2 weeks ago, doesnt mean there was nothing in place.

I was saying the statement that nothing was different 2 weeks ago and no guidelines is incorrect. There definitely was. It wasnt enough, people ignored it. But there were things in place.