Why are these young, supposedly people dying or struggling with the virus

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21 year old girl has just died and there have been other cases of young, healthy people being hospitalised and critically ill. I was always under the impression that unless you were old or vulnerable or had underlying health issues you weren't at risk and likely to get it mild. Reading these stories is making me now even want to go out fullstop for essential supplies 😩

It is to do with fear not statistics

I was always under the impression

What? For years and years?

Ugh I hate norovirus. Do you ever wonder how you got it despite the hygiene?

But more than that, it isnt a comparable risk in people's minds. It's extra risk. More risk.
Cancer isnt going to come in to it.
The 21 year old and the 36 year old, they might have had a .4% chance of getting cancer but they hadnt.
An ADDITIONAL risk cost them their lives.

adaline
for the overwhelming majority of people who contract the virus, this will be a mild disease from which they will speedily and fully recover

PMs statement to the public 3rd March. here

It was a crock of shit. But Boris said it. Its no surprise theres such reluctance to face facts now

It was a crock of shit.

It's still true isn't it?

'Mild' means anything that doesn't require hospitalisation. The majority of people who contract Covid 19 will not require hospital treatment.

Smoking, drug use e.g. cocaine can act as an immunosuppressant as well as increasing the risk of respiratory problems. It doesn't say she was healthy, it said she had no pre-existing health conditions.

One of the underlying health issues is smoking (weed, hookah, or cigarettes) / vaping which doctors and researchers are attributing supposedly young and healthy deaths to. I imagine the family either didn’t know about this or the reporters have deliberately left it out to create a more sensationalist story.

No

Mild in china was used to describe anything up to ventilation. "Mild" still meant pneumonia and included hospital admission. Mild still meant reports as yet fully investigated of long term lung damage, potentially 20-30% reduction. "Mild" was comparative. It still meant 15% of infected people requiring ventilation. Mild was used by the government to sleepwalk the British public into a disaster.

This mild illness has resulted in 40-50% of closed cases resulting in death in italy and now in Spain. It italy that hasnt changed in over a week.

I have never read before that smoking is being called an underlying condition. I don't approve, but loads of young people smoke weed.

No that isnt how it was in China at all.

And it is well known testing in Spain and Italy is far under what actually exists the asymptomatic/mild/moderate cases are being found. We are seeing the serious and criticial cases and anything that has been done through contact tracing.

There are many reports that the virus is pretty stable and hasnt mutated so its the same here as it was in China

Have you read the thread on viral load? In a nutshell if you catch it from one person you are more likely to have a mild illness. If this young person was in close contact with several people at their most contagious she could have had a high viral load and therefore a more serious illness. For example if you attended one of the pub closing parties you would have increased your risk of being in an enclosed space with various people who didn’t know they were getting ill.

swishcat As someone with blood type o A-neg, I was wondering where the info regarding blood type came from, but couldn't find any sources.

for the overwhelming majority of people who contract the virus, this will be a mild disease from which they will speedily and fully recover

That says nothing about age at all?

Just because elderly people are MORE LIKELY to die of something, doesn't mean young people are immune. I have no idea where that idea has come from!

0.2% is still quite a lot of people if lots get it in that age bracket, OP.

Quartz2208

Confirmation of the two strains here
here

80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases,
reliefweb.int/report/china/report-who-china-joint-mission-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

In fact, I think that would be about 11,800 10-19 year olds dead if 80% of them caught it at a 0.2% death rate for that age bracket.

7.4 million 10-19 year olds X 0.8 to give the number of infected 10-19 year olds X 0.002 to give the number of those infected who would die. If we're correct about that 0.2% and I've not made a colossal fuck up somewhere in that calculation.

Because there's a huge difference between 'low risk' and 'no risk'.

It's like saying that people under 40 are at low risk of having heart attacks. That doesn't mean no-one under 40 will ever have a heart attack, it just means they are less likely to than someone in say their 70's.

hazelnutlatteplease

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccine-mutation-covid-19-latest-a9423301.html

Here is what it is saying. Virus mutate a lot but the ones this is making are now minor

I read that the virus actually was mutating slower than flu virus does. This was on a scientific website. I don't have the link right now though. Its important to remember as well that we dont know anything about this virus and what does and doesn't affect risk etc. Its important to remember that we are all at risk but that the majority will have mild to moderate symptoms.

@LottieBees19 - so that makes it OK then if only over 60s snuff it? What a horrible attitude - don' t you have parents or grandparents?

@Hazelnutlatteplease I'm not sure what you're objecting to so strongly. Young people are significantly less at risk of serious illness from coronavirus - but that doesn't mean there's no risk. Young people (and people without risk factors) will die (and it's very possible that a LOT will die due to the fact that the attack rate of the infection is the entire human population), but that doesn't mean that all people are equally at risk.

Not read tft but stopped at blood type post.
I’m type A and was once told by another patient that I was at higher risk of dying - sitting in a cancer waiting room awaiting some results. Scared me half to death and was utter bollocks. I’ve done lots of research. Never found any facts that point to blood types affecting reaction to diseases. Now I sit there with headphones on refusing to talk to anyone. Looks like I’m going to have to do the same with this forum.

@Quartz2208 you can trace back to the original chinese med journal piece. There are two strains. Fact. Therefore it has mutated once, thats conjecture but the alternative is that is has been genetically engineered deliberately into the different (more deadly) strain.

Sorry to derail again but just to add to my post above that as with any serious illness, the factors that make one person suffer it more than others are very complicated, added to a large dose of pot luck .