Ffs neighbours are having a garden party

[CuckooCuckooClock]

WTAF!?
Just popped out to hang my washing. My dc joined me for a run around.
Lots of noise coming from the neighbours garden (next door but one). Including a continuous cough.
They’ve got four extra cars parked on their drive.
What’s wrong with people?
Why would people do this?

I think part of the problem is that most people have no idea what 2m distance actually looks like.

You can't pass someone on most pavements and keep the 2m rule and going for a walk with people while actually maintaining 2m distance won't feel very social so you might as well not bother and phone them instead.

It's ridiculous.
Me and my friends get together every Sunday and have done for years. Nothing has ever stopped us before.
Today we did it virtually.

Idiots like this are why we are going to end up in total lockdown.

Sleepyhead it does work if you walk with household members or alone. It’s not just to meet up with people it’s to improve mh and get outside.

I get the impression a lot of people enjoy telling other people that nothing is allowed, with very little scientific evidence to back up their assertions. I'm not having anyone round, but we've been for a walk with the kids and we've sat in our own garden. There is nothing "not allowed" about that and nor does it pose a risk, but I'm sure I can look forward to this bunch telling me I'm selfish/stupid/whatever.

On my small street we have a garden party going on with (shite) music blaring, grandparents visiting families, kids playing out on the street, kids playing in gardens with neighbours and folks chatting on the street with random people passing by.

What will end up happening is that these selfish bastards will catch Coronavirus, use up all the ICU beds then the rest of us who are not being dicks may catch it later and there will be no beds available for us. Everyone is using it as an excuse for a free holiday. The kids are mixing anyway so imo they should just send them all back to school. Instead of paying these selfish people to sit on their arses, why not send them to work in a supermarket or the nhs seeing as they're so desperate to catch it.

I'm not having anyone round, but we've been for a walk with the kids and we've sat in our own garden.

No one on the thread has said there's anything wrong about any of those

Well yes, we went for a walk on a local beach today. Were barely within shouting distance of anyone, drove there and back and didn't stop anywhere.

But I doubt we could have maintained 2m consistently in reality if for e.g. we'd gone with friends and wanted to have an actual conversation which makes it a bit pointless. I think human nature would make you move closer unless you were very vigilant.

I don't think people understand how this virus is transmitted.

Going for a walk in deserted countryside like I did this morning is absolutely fine. IF you go with family you are isolating with... and you haven't been outside and touched ANY SURFACE ANYWHERE that may have the virus on it. (Plastic and metal surfaces can keep the virus alive for days..

So if you are at home and one of your family has been to the shops and touched money/surfaces/tins/other peoples then they could of bought it into the house. You need to be absolutely sure that no family member has done this... then it's fine. If no symptoms in seven days going for a walk together is not a problem.. As long as it's genuinely a place where you are not going to touch anything someone infected could of touched.

No parking meters,
Money,
Gates,
Stiles
Lamp posts
Car door handles.
The list is pretty endless.

however having people round for a cup of tea in the garden is beyond ridiculous! Your friend could have been to a shop, been given change by a cashier and already be carrying the virus. You then give her a cup of tea and she picks up the cup and spreads it . You then pick up the cup to clear away , brush your face with your hand and BINGO ! Your house is no longer virus free...

People need to read how this thing spreads.. the bit they don't seem to get is that the person spreading it doesn't need to be exhibiting symptoms.. surfaces hold the virus..

I'm staying at my mum's with ds, her neighbours have been in the hot tub this afternoon.

I think you just have to not meet up. Well that’s what I’d do. Use other means to talk and stay with household.

@Tootletum the sad thing I've seen on here is that in true MN style some of the more unpleasant posters are using this as yet another excuse to act and appear superior. Like they know more than the rest of us. When the reality is we are all feeling our way in the dark. This is unprecedented. Completely uncertain times for everyone. And I honestly think all these threads titled with things like 'stay in it's not hard' make the posters looks quite ridiculous.

Yes we know the basics. Yes it's incredibly stupid to go to the pub or the hairdresser or have a big garden party and socialise at home. But when it comes to things like an outdoor walk with a friend at a sensible distance....well to be it becomes a lot more unclear. Is it essential? No. But for many people the prospect of months of isolation with no contact with people is more frightening than catching the virus anyway. Add to that the fact that we're all going to have to come into contact with people at the shops and so on even if we do go into full lockdown, and once again the sensible, reasonable questions like can I go for a run in the morning or walk my dog with my friend in the park seem more complicated. So don't tell people they're idiots for not knowing what to do. It's not necessary and it's not kind.

I get the impression a lot of people enjoy telling other people that nothing is allowed, with very little scientific evidence to back up their assertions. I'm not having anyone round, but we've been for a walk with the kids and we've sat in our own garden. There is nothing "not allowed" about that and nor does it pose a risk, but I'm sure I can look forward to this bunch telling me I'm selfish/stupid/whatever.

That is allowed, so it's very different to the examples that people are getting frustrated about.

Do you genuinely think that so many people are 'enjoying' telling people what not to do?

Or do you think maybe they are concerned after seeing the carnage this has caused in other countries?

Don't you accept that we are about 2-3 weeks behind Italy in number of cases and deaths? We are following the pattern?

At what number of cases and deaths will you think people's warnings, frustration and sadness about other people's selfish and reckless behaviour is warranted?

I absolutely don't enjoy feeling like I have to beg people to think carefully about their choices on this. It's a ballache I could do without at the moment.

I'm self employed and most of my projects have been cancelled. I have epilepsy and if I get a fever I will have a life threatening seizure. I am scared shitless simultaneously about the fact this has wiped out my income and the consequences of me getting it.

I'm choosing my health over anything else.

I understand the heartbreak and moral dilemma of people who feel they have to go to work still because they can't pay to live otherwise.

I don't understand people who want to go to hang out in gardens for a cuppa with other people, go to shops as normal and socialise because they want to.

Avoid all non essential contact.

That's the advice.

Anyone ignoring that is being selfish.

They can be selfish and our country's laws give them the right to do that.

But selfish they are.

I was really surprised when a usually sensible family member posted photos earlier of a Baby Shower for a friend . I do not judge as a rule but I was and am pretty shocked.

Oh my god @whentherabbitswentwild just when I think I've heard everything! I cannot bear to think that friends of mine are either stupid or selfish but things like this have made me question it - a baby shower?! Bloody hell.

@coco yes exactly!! It's as if certain posters are scientists with all the information who have lived through multiple pandemics. Not even the experts have the answers, the advice therefore keeps changing, so it's hardly surprising people are confused. Having people over does seem a silly risk, but then so is tailgating on the M1 when you're doing 90mph. People still drink drive. People take stupid risks all the time in situations where they do know better, whereas in this situation I don't really think all this condescension and aggression is going to help at all.

People take stupid risks all the time in situations where they do know better, whereas in this situation I don't really think all this condescension and aggression is going to help at all.

The thing is, I do feel aggressive when I speak about people tailgating, speeding and drink driving. And I think that's a very natural reaction.

I don't think it's condescending to ask why people aren't more concerned and taking all precautions they can when they are perfectly able to see what is happening in Italy and Spain.

I've asked a couple of times on this thread and others why people think we won't have the same cases and deaths as Italy and Spain - why they say it won't be as bad as we think / people are overreacting etc. Nobody has ever answered that.

It's not a condescending question, it's a perfectly reasonable one because I genuinely cannot understand how people think it will be any different here?

So much conflicting advice from this thread. I have just listened to the news, Boris says if you go outside to enjoy the weather you must ensure you comply with social distancing.

He did not say not to go outside. The issue isn’t with the sensible people it is the idiots who don’t comply.

My DM is 78 with underlying health conditions. She totally understood why we wouldn't be visiting her today and knows that its likely that we won't be able to visit until things calm down and that this could be weeks/months away. My DS is in a vulnerable group so we are self-isolating.

My DM's street is all bungalows and all her neighbours are elderly, like her. Every single one of them that she can see from her window had family visitors today, despite the guidance not to. Even the 92 and 90 year old couple opposite, whose daughter drove from Lincolnshire to Yorkshire to see them. Her DM has chronic asthma and has been hospitalised several times over the last few years. I just don't understand why anyone would take such a risk with their parents's health??? Why the fuck would you visit your 90 year old DM against all government advice???

Lots if kids playing out on street here mixing . They have gardens they could use instead . People don't get it . I've upset my mum but not visiting or having them over . Yet others can't just follow the rules. If we go in a full lockdown they will soon be moaning . Just use some common sense

It’s what the Government is recommending about going outside that has led to the situation in Italy. Compare what Boris says with the decisions of all the other European governments and ask yourself whether the Dominic Cummins quote published today might be true: “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”

@WhereDidMyEyebrowsGo Because without being crass, maybe people of that age don't have a lot of time left anyway and they don't want to spend their last few months or years isolated, alone and depressed. My elderly grandad lost my gran last year and having been quite reclusive most of his life, he had since the end of last year got into new routines of reading his paper in a cafe, meeting friends and going to groups. Now it's all been taken away again and I'm frightened it'll be the loneliness that makes him lose the will to carry on. It could be the case for a lot of old and vulnerable people who live alone.

This isn't an endorsement of seeing the elderly of course. I haven't seen my grandad for a few weeks now. But it's one explanation I guess.

The family across the road had a children's party. Some of the children attending have parents who are teachers. I cannot believe how selfish and stupid people are.

I am a teacher and am needed at school which puts my own children at risk. It makes me so angry that people are so irresponsible by continuing to have parties and playdates. Why do they think they are so special that Government advice doesn't apply to them?

@croprotationinthe13thcentury A lot of these MNs think they know everything (which they don't) and love to jump on people who don't follow their rules!! Judgy people everywhere lol I walk my dogs, I have to get the train, I go food shopping and what I'm not doing is telling everyone else what to do. Follow the Corona threads on TV, listen to Mr Johnson and your be fine. He says exercise is good so go out and exercise! People have to have close contact in a supermarket but outside is very different. Use your brain and all will be good.

The problem is that people are actually daft enough not to engage their brains with what he is saying. Sadly the government is also at fault for placing too much faith in the populations common sense - when are large proportion are either plain ignorant, selfish or both.

Because the government has said 'you should not mix socially and should maintain distance'. Some read that as 'advice' they can ignore. Or perhaps just manipulate it in their own minds to fit whatever they want to do. They simply can't work it out for themselves.

This is why we will end up with laws being passed to forbid leaving your home in the same way China/Italy/Spain/France and lately India have done.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. A bit like the school thing. Just because you might have a place for your child doesn't mean you should send them.

although the virus lives for up to 72 hours on hard surfaces, ie wood,metal,hard plastic, it's doesn't survive for long on paper and card or cloth

This really surprises me - I'd always thought that paper was one of the worst things for carrying infection.

My mother is in her eighties and has cancer, but it's not terminal. She and my siblings are making every effort to keep her safe. It sickens me to know that if she does get ill she will be low priority to save while selfish careless fuckers like some of the people described on here will be amongst those getting high priority because they're younger and fitter